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1 | Age of Miracles - Past or Present | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 123127 | ||
Rowdy I see this explanation as one sided not addressing both sides of the issues. For instance it totally ignores the fact that missionaries in some occurrences are given that ability to speak a unknown language understood only by their listeners to tell of Jesus. I would consider that "tongues" Nor does it explain situations like the one I related where a Pastor was preaching in English but heard and understood by a women that could only speak Spanish. There are many documented cases of this. Jack Hayford in his book The Beauty of the Spiritual Language relates a similar story. In your quote there is no room for any of these occurrences. Likewise Prophecy and gifts of Knowledge both are in common usage in the church today. Preaching is probably the greatest example of the gift of prophecy when viewed in the true definition of the words. Have there been abuses of these sign gifts? Absolutely but that does not invalidate them. Incidentally all were commonly used in the early church (first second and third century) so while not recorded in the Bible they are a part of church history. Using the silence issue would be grounds for saying all of the gifts ceased at one point in the Bible or another. As none are mentioned again after their last mention. The discussion on Perfect leaves a lot to be desired and once again hinges on many factors that are man controlled rather than God controlled. Such as the closing of the cannon, interpretation of tense, etc. I have a good friend that is a Greek Orthodox Bishop what speaks Greek from birth that will tell you the explanation of the Greek tenses is not as cut and dried as we sometimes make it. Without failure every discussion we have had on a passage has turned into a thirty minute lesson for me on Greek and all meanings the language imparts by tense and verb usage. I have heard the “perfect” discussion many times from those that oppose the sign gifts today but I have also heard rebuttals given that in my opinion nullify their position. Apparently others agree since there are about equal number of well educated and dedicated men on either side of this issue. If the issue could be proven in either camp then it would no longer be an issue. I contend there is a position that satisfies both positions and it is man’s responsibility to find it, otherwise he views the Bible as in conflict with itself or has to apply “special” meanings to words to make his explanation work. That I think is the biggest problem today we try to explain away things in Bible that seem to conflict with other instead of understanding the Whole Bible. By the way I have that commentary also. It is basically a mainline denomination. There is little or no consideration for the Baptist, Pentecostal, Church of Christ, or Holiness positions in it. EdB |
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2 | Age of Miracles - Past or Present | Bible general Archive 2 | Phil12123 | 125825 | ||
The "that which is perfect" is contrasted with "that which is in part" (1 Cor. 13:10). When the "perfect" (or complete) comes, the "part" (or partial or incomplete) will be done away. Verse 9 says, "we know in part" and in verse 12 Paul reiterates, "now I know in part" but Paul doesn't stop there. He goes on to say, "but THEN [when the perfect, complete comes] shall I know even as also I am known." Rowdy, ask yourself the question, "Do I know NOW even as also I am known?" And, "Do I NOW know perfectly, completely, or do I NOW still look through a glass darkly?" How you answer those questions will also answer your main question. Phil |
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3 | Age of Miracles - Past or Present | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 125831 | ||
Phil You addressed this to me and I think you wanted Rowdy. I happen to agree with your position EdB |
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4 | Age of Miracles - Past or Present | Bible general Archive 2 | Phil12123 | 125836 | ||
I was adding a "Note" to what you said to Rowdy, to add it to your post. This is my first use of this forum and I'm not sure how to add a comment to what someone else has said, basically agreeing with it and adding to it. Phil |
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5 | Age of Miracles - Past or Present | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 125840 | ||
Greetings Phil! Welcome to the forum! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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