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1 | The rest of us? | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmaus | 122782 | ||
"The church even went so far off track as to make a mere human being the Pope of the Catholic faith, and allowed him to declare himself equal to God." Rowdy, When did that happen. I missed it. So did the popes. Someone should let them know. Emmaus |
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2 | The rest of us? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 122785 | ||
Emmaus I’m always amazed how some will pontificate about things they know so little about. I’m sure the Pope would be surprised to know of his promotion. The sad part of this many believe this and will not search out the truth. It is easier for them to hold on to the falsehood so freely given than to do a little research and find the truth. Jesus clearly tells us the truth will set us free John 8:32 until then I’m afraid we must live with our prejudices and half truths fighting each other rather than the true adversary and the hate, bigotry, deception he brings. EdB |
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3 | The rest of us? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 122793 | ||
I meant no malice or prejudice of any kind toward any one individual, including the Pope. He can repent and follow the commands of Christ just like anyone else and become a christian. I was merely reflecting what's commonly known in all the history books but just in case... from: http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/infal.html The Doctrine of Papal Infallibility What is the doctrine of "Papal Infallibility" The First Vatican Council has defined as "a divinely revealed dogma" that "the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra -- that is, when in the exercise of his office as pastor and teacher of all Christians he defines, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the whole Church -- is, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrines of faith and morals; and consequently that such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are irreformable of their own nature (ex sese) and not by reason of the Church's consent" --Infallibility at the Catholic Encyclopedia (1913) Infallibility belongs in a special way to the pope as head of the bishops (Matt. 16:17-19; John 21:15-17). As Vatican II remarked, it is a charism the pope "enjoys in virtue of his office, when, as the supreme shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, who confirms his brethren in their faith (Luke 22:32), he proclaims by a definitive act some doctrine of faith or morals. Therefore his definitions, of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church, are justly held irreformable, for they are pronounced with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, an assistance promised to him in blessed Peter." --Papal Infallibility - at Catholic Answers Papal infallibility is one of the great differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. Very few seem to be aware of the awesome implications of this Catholic dogma. Hopefully, this brief summary will illuminate them. Regarding papal infallibility the present-day Roman Catholic Church says... --Papal Infallibility - by Dan Corner Papal Infallibility at the First Vatican Council in 1870 To the mind of the general reader, mention of the Vatican Council will usually recall two facts: that it was the occasion of the definition of the doctrine popularly called Papal Infallibility, and that many of the bishops present were opposed to the definition. The more erudite will add that their opposition was not to the doctrine itself, but to the policy of choosing this present moment to proclaim it--the definition, they would say, was held not "opportune." ... The leading critics of the "definition policy" were French, German, and Hungarian --CHAPTER 20 Following the first Vatican Council, 1870, a dissent, mostly among German, Austrian and Swiss Catholics, arose over the definition of Papal Infallibility. The dissenters, holding the General Councils of the Church infallible, were unwilling to accept the dogma of Papal Infallibility. Many of these Catholics formed independent communities which became known as the Old Catholic Church. At the First Vatican Council he was one of the most notable opponents of papal infallibility, and distinguished himself as a speaker. The pope praised Strossmayer's "remarkably good Latin." A speech in which he defended Protestantism made a great sensation. Afterwards another speech, delivered apparently on 2 June, 1870, was imputed to him. It is full of heresies and denies not only infallibility but also the primacy of the pope. The forger is said to have been a former Augustinian, a Mexican named Dr. José Agustín de Escudero. --Joseph Georg Strossmayer, the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 See also, the entry for Papal Infallibility at the Wikipedia encyclopedia project. Links ... What is Papal Infallibility - by George Sim Johnston The Papacy and Infallibility - Papacy and Infallibility Apologetics Index Page Papal Infallibility ? - by Anthony S. Wohl, Professor of History, Vassar College A History of the General Councils - AD 325 through AD 1870 - Mgr. Philip Hughes Books Infallible? : An Unresolved Enquiry by Hans Kung - expand edition (November 1994) (ISBN: 0826406785) Power and the Papacy : The People and Politics Behind the Doctrine of Infallibility by Robert McClory (a reporter for US Catholic and a professor of Journalism at Northwestern University) ISBN 0-7648-0141-4 (October 1997) Published by Triumph, An Imprint of Liguori Publications (amazon.com) Add/View comments to this page The "unofficial" Pope John Paul II - Catholic Resources on the Net But I too don't want to dwell on this subject so I will let history speak for itself. Unless there is some serious need to pursue this thread, I would just prefer to close it on this particular subject. But God bless ALL those love the truth for it DOES make one free. --Rowdy |
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4 | The rest of us? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 122810 | ||
Rowdy First we all agree God will respond to us. Is it so hard to believe he responds to a man that has basically dedicated his whole life to serving God? Secondly how is this position any different than a leader of a denomination that says we are all going this direction? Third which is better everyone deciding for themselves what is correct or a man who has dedicated himself to the study of theology serving the church and serving God. Fourth which of his infallible utterances do you find so distrubing that your sure God would never have inspired them? While I'm not Catholic and no fan of Papal infallibility I can also see problems that have arisen in the Protestant church because no leader was willing to stand up and say "thus saith the Lord" whether through inspiration given directly or understanding of Scripture. Some prime examples are the Methodist and Episcoplian stance on homosexuality. Today is seems nearly every leader dances a tighrope of trying to please everyone. At least the Catholic church is showing some spine by saying if you hold the abortion position you should not recieve sacrements. I think the Pope and every leader of true Christianity today needs to stand up and say if you love Jesus you will not support a pro abortion, pro homosexual. I think they can say it with infallibility and when that fact is claimed many will disagree. Lastly the issue of Papal infallibility to my understanding is a very long distance to position of God for which you claimed to be the Pope. EdB |
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5 | The rest of us? | Bible general Archive 2 | Rowdy | 122820 | ||
My first impulse is to respond to your questions as you do pose some interesting points but I'll restrain myself, hoping to see what some others think and say on this topic. For the moment, I'll reiterate what ALL of us know that with ALL things religious and pertaining to eternal life, we must turn to Christ ONLY and form a close relationship with him so that He can be our advocate to cover our sins on Judgment Day? On that we can agree, correct? God bless. --Rowdy |
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6 | The rest of us? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 122831 | ||
Rowdy To your statement and question I agree. And I think if you study the Catholic church you will see that too is their position. EdB |
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