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1 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117920 | ||
Hi: The same thing happens to the soul of the righteous as happens to the unrighteous according to this passage from scripture. The difference in what happens to them occurs when they are resurrected in their own time. Eccl 9:1 All this I laid to heart, examining it all, how the righteous and the wise and their deeds are in the hand of God; whether it is love or hate one does not know. Everything that confronts them 2 is vanity, since the same fate comes to all, to the righteous and the wicked, to the good and the evil, to the clean and the unclean, to those who sacrifice and those who do not sacrifice. As are the good, so are the sinners; those who swear are like those who shun an oath. 3 This is an evil in all that happens under the sun, that the same fate comes to everyone. Moreover, the hearts of all are full of evil; madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead. We all go to the dead.ie where the other dead are. We remain so till we are brought back to life in thte resurrection. Resurrection means brought back to life. The first resurrection has not yet occured, therefore no one except Christ has ever been brought back to everlasting life. We wait for His return. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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2 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 117921 | ||
If what you say is true, “We all go to the dead, i.e. where the other dead are. We remain so till we are brought back to life in the resurrection.” How do you, explain away the following, spoken of by Paul? 2 Cor. 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Again in the book of Revelation there are souls talking to the Lord yet without what we know as a body. It sounds like Paul must have known something that you don’t! Philip. 1:21-24 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. There must be some kind of an interim body that we don’t know about because they are speaking! Rev. 6:9-10 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? How do you explain all that away? CDBJ |
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3 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117922 | ||
Hi CDBJ: Paul had a hard life. He says it is of benefit for others that he remain alive to help them. "The living know they will die, but the dead know nothing at all" Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; This means the dead are not aware of time. Therefore the time from when they die to the time they are resurrected, though it be 2000 years later, it will be to them no more than a nano second. I did not make up Eccl 2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head, but the fool walks in darkness. And yet I know that one fate befalls them both. It says the same fate befalls them both. How can that mean the same fate does NOT befall them both. What does Eccl 2 above mean to you. Why are those in Rev 69-10 told to wait yet a little while longer? What are they to wait a little longer for? Ans: The first resurection at the time of Christ's coming back to earth. The nano second Paul died would seem to him the same time he is resurrected, because the dead are aware of nothing. This was Paul's preference, so that his struggle between beating and jailings and being hauled to court would be replaced by a what would "appear" like a nano second. The bible says simply that the dead know noting. You argue that they do know something. The bible states all share the same fate in death. You argue they do not. Seems to us that What Paul says, or what it says in Revelation should be in agreement with these two simply stated facts. Paul might have said is advantageous to me to die, because I know the dead are not aware of time, or anything, so it would seem only an instant before I am with the Lord. How do you envision Paul to work Eccl 2 into his statement? In the time of King Saul, Samuel was somehow called up from the dead to speak to Saul. He was not resurrected, but said Saul and his sons would die that day and be with him(Samuel) This is a case for saying Samuel, and Saul went to the same place when they died. Samuel 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!" 13 The king said to her, "Don't be afraid. What do you see?" The woman said, "I see a spirit coming up out of the ground." 14 "What does he look like?" he asked. "An old man wearing a robe is coming up," she said. Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground. 15 Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" "I am in great distress," Saul said. "The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has turned away from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do." 16 Samuel said, "Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has turned away from you and become your enemy? 17 The LORD has done what he predicted through me. The LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors--to David. 18 Because you did not obey the LORD or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the LORD has done this to you today. 19 The LORD will hand over both Israel and you to the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Righteous Samuel and unrighteous Saul and his sons in the same place. Samuel says you will be with me. That makes a pretty strong case for the same fate for both when we die. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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4 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 117927 | ||
You say you want logic and you use Eccles. for your logic that it still holds true today. Let try Eccles. 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. If you believe this is true for today you better log of quick before someone call you on it, being as they didn’t have computers back then; no new thing under the sun. If all the dead are unaware of their surroundings, as you claim, I suppose you think Jesus made a mistake with what he said in Luke or do you just pick and chose the verses that fit your agenda? Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Well one did rise from the dead and it was Jesus and while we are at it do you believe that Jesus is God? CDBJ |
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5 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117929 | ||
Hi CDBJ. Luke 16: 19-31 is a parable. This is even specifically stated as beinga parable. The words in a parable are not to be taken literally. This parable simply teaches that sending one back from the dead would not be a help in saving anyone. We have to row with what we have from the prophets and from Christ. The part of this passage that is parable, is the way the teaching is presented as though the dead converse with each other. The parable does not teach that the dead know something, but the teaching is that no one will be sent back from the dead to save us. I did state that Jesus did rise from the dead, in an earlier posting you responeded to. The parable above no moresays that the dead know something, than the parable of 10 virgins means there were actually ten virgins involved in the teaching. This parable is not about virgins, buut about being ready for the day Christ returns, and not to be surprised being in a wrong state when He arrives. Just as the parable of the 10 virgins is not about virgins, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man is not really about the dead, but the living being instructed no one will be brought from the dead to teach us about everlasting life or warn us about everlasting death. There is no verse that I canthink of that contradicts that statement "the dead know nothing" nor can there be. Because the same Spirit that taught Solomon that the dead know nothing taught Paul that dying is not really as big a deal as many think, and that from tme of death to the resurrection seems but a nano second. Sincerely Henry and Emmy We believe Christ is God by the way. |
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6 | soul of unsaved people | Bible general Archive 2 | kalos | 117931 | ||
You write: "Luke 16:19-31 is a parable. This is even specifically stated as being a parable." Show us the evidence! Tell us the book, chapter and verse where this is specifically stated as being a parable. |
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