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1 | Can you loose your salvation? | NT general Archive 1 | BradK | 123011 | ||
EdB, Thanks for the input and verses to reference. Give me a couple days and I'll respond in depth. You may very well be right to conclude that MAYBE one can be or is fooling themselves into thinking they're saved when they're not! Tim Moran has interestingly alluded to the fact that he believes one can "reject" God's salvation- and there may be some merit in that too. My quick take is this: there are numerous verses that CLEARLY tell us how we are saved and on what basis (Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, 1 John 5:13ff). However, there are no direct verses saying "this you can do to lose your salvation", etc., so I conclude that we must interpret what is less clear ( Heb. 6 and 10) by what is clear. Interestingly, I see a much stronger emphasis in Hebrews of the perseverance of the saints ( Heb. 7:25, 9:12,15). The plaguing question in my mind is "eternal life" by it's very definition is just that. Something eternal cannot be temporal (John 3:16). I believe we need to carefully define and understand what salvation encompasses and entails to fully understand the impact of this doctrine. It is certainly not a license to sin or live and ungodly life- Romans 6 answers that question without doubt. "I've personally found Titus 2:11-12 to be one of the most overlooked, if not neglected truths that deals with our MOTIVATION to live godly! I'm not denying that there are some (at least) seeming ambiguities whereby good people of God have and do disagree. I do side very strongly with the completed work of Christ on the cross and His all-sufficient saving grace ( Heb. 7:25). But again, I seriously think with reference to my question we need to limit our discussion to terms that are found within scripture- regardless of what side we take in matters of Eternal Security! Let's not say something scripture doesn't say:-) We'll be in touch. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | Can you loose your salvation? | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 123016 | ||
Greetings BradK! I have dealt with this topic many times in the past, so anyone interested can simply search the archives. However, I would to highlight two points. 1) No one 'loses' his salvation! 'To lose' something implies an accident. I am walking down the street and I lose my wallet. It falls out of my pocket while I am unaware and don't realize that it is gone until later. So, I despise this term in connection with salvation. :-) 2) Our 'works' have nothing to do with us getting saved and they have nothing to with us 'losing' salvation (there is that word again :-) ). So many will argue that we have to 'do' certain things to keep salvation. This is clearly contrary to Scripture. As you mentioned, I do believe that some one can 'willfully' reject salvation. I believe this is the person mentioned in both Heb. 10:26-31 and Heb. 6:1-6. Both of these passage mention an individual who knew the grace of God but rejected it. But, how common would this be? I think not very common at all. I could not conceive of ever willfully turning my back on my Savior. But, I have know of one individual who seems to fit this picture. My brother-in-law was a dedicated Christian for many years, until he met a woman, and married her, who was into new age garbage. Now, he has turned his back completely on Christ. The key difference with my view and that of those who say that one can 'lose' his salvation is that the change occurs because of an act of will, not an act of sin. I thoroughly reject the notion that anything we 'do' can effect our salvation. By 'do', I mean actions or inaction. Finally, I have also posted several times that Heb. 6 has been misinterpreted by many. The tense of the verbs in Heb. 6 makes it clear that some one cannot be brought back to repentance 'while' they are crucifying the Son all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace. If these actions cease, there is nothing in the verse which would indicate that they could never be brought back to repentance at that point. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Can you loose your salvation? | NT general Archive 1 | BradK | 123034 | ||
Hi Tim, I think we'd be in agreement based upon what you stated in response to my post:-) Both your points are well noted. I am still unsettled with respect to the example of your brother-in-law( and I'm not at all denying the situation). I agree that those situations would seem to be "rare" However, it is ultimately in God's hand as to their fate. I always appreciate an intelligent discussion on disputable matters- where we can still seek to know and learn. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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