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1 | Do Jesus and Paul agree on salv by faith | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 92286 | ||
'My friend, the bible never mentions "faith alone".' Romans 4-5 indicates that we are justified by faith apart from works and have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. "As we have seen in James faith alone is dead. James 2:19 says even the demons believe and tremble." Yes, it does, which means that biblical, saving faith results in God-honoring works. "Why did Christ command us to do things, if it wasn't nessesary to be saved." So do you consistently do everything Christ commands? If not, how can you call yourself saved? And for the question which no one of your theological persuasion has ever been able to answer satisfactorily: If immersion is required for salvation, where was the church during that millennium and a half, when almost everyone was sprinkled in infancy. Immersion did not (re)emerge as normative until 1550 or so. So, where was the church before the Anabaptists made an issue of believer's baptism by immersion? Did God let this bride disappear off the face of the earth for over a dozen centuries? Many of these non-immersed people are the theological ancestors of the Churches of Christ. Many of them wrote the hymns that you sing every Sunday. Do you really think that the men who wrote "Amazing Grace" and "A Mighty Fortress is our God" were not Christians because they were never baptized as you think Christ commanded? If so, your church needs to tear out the hymns of John Newton, Isaac Watts, Martin Luther, Augustus Toplady, and Charles Wesley, for they are all roasting in hell, according to your theology. So where was the church during all those years of almost exclusive infant sprinkling? And what of those your church considers men of God who did NOT ever get immersed? --Joe! |
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2 | Do Jesus and Paul agree on salv by faith | NT general Archive 1 | nivlac5 | 92759 | ||
Joe,I am not sure if your were addressing me. But, to briefly answer your question I will say, that I do not believe one has to be immersed to be saved and the church I go to does not subscribe to this. In short, baptism is an outward sign of saving faith and therefore I assume you would not hold to the erroneous belief of baptismal regeneration. Unfortunately, many denom. do and so do many orders of the Catholic church. I have no bickerings with pedobaptist, I do not hold to it, but I think it is an in house debate. I am not 100 percent certain where you fall soteriologicaly, but if you are a 5 point Reformed, you would subscribe to regeneration precedes faith. The above church fathers you mentioned, I have great esteem for them and enjoy their writings and no I don't think that they are going to hell. Now, grant you, there may be some Baptist denom. that believe this, but I have no affiliation with them. Reformed Baptist, are somewhat of outcast in the mainline Baptist Denom. Anyways, it is not about a denomination, but about Christ and the Holy Word. Your brother in Christ, Brad | ||||||
3 | Do Jesus and Paul agree on salv by faith | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 92766 | ||
Actually, my post was directed toward the person you were conversing with. Peace. --Joe! |
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