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1 | The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost. | Bible general Archive 1 | meusing | 76808 | ||
Jesus, god with us, spoke of His Father as God, and spokeof the Holy Spirit as a separate person from Himself. the statement "Jesus was a glimpse of who God was but not the complete form of God as he was merely a man." directly denys the fact that Phil 2:6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained, Phil 2:7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being. that is BEING one with God. He always was and was not created because He ceated everything that is. Jesus is the Creator, not the created. He is God (John 1:1) |
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2 | The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost. | Bible general Archive 1 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 76820 | ||
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. God himself made the earth... I am not attacking what you are saying because I believe we are on the same page. Jesus did create the worlds because he is God, manifest in the flesh. God is a spirit though, he is so much bigger than Jesus "the man" was. Note what was prayed in Jn. 17:5-6 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: Here Jesus says glorify me with the glory which I had with the before the world was. So he had come down out of that "glory" status. Phil. 2:6 says he was in the FORM of God, NOT that he was God as God is a Spirit. Jesus was equal with God because he was God (IN THE FORM OF A HUMAN) No where will you find that he calls himself God. He eludes to it everywhere and those with the revelation understood that he was. Because he was God in the form of a man it wasn't wrong for him to be equal with God because he was God, everything that he could be "manifest in flesh." Until Jesus was glorified, he was unable to have omnipresence and the attributes of God the spirit. Although he was everything God could be wrapped up in the form of a man. He was completely God in that sense, finding himself in the Form of God, (again not God directly as God is a spirit and that was the very thing in Jn. 10:33 that appauled the Jews the most that a man would say he was God) Jesus has always been because Jesus is God. I am saying Jesus the man or body, flesh was created. 1 Pe. 1:20 says... "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world but was manifest in these last times for you..." The body was formed or manifest. The man was created. But the divinity, God that was in that man (2 co. 5:19) has always been. Col. 2:9 says that the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in him bodily. Jn. 14:26 Says the Holy Ghost will be sent in His name Jn. 5:43 Jesus said he is come in his fathers name Jn. 17:6 Jesus said he had manifest or shown plainly the name of the father 1 Co. 8:4 says there is none other God but one I believe God has always been and he manifest himself as man in order to save us. In the Old testament it testifies that God alone is our saviour in the NT is states Jesus alone is our Savior, They are the same. Not only in purpose but the same. God laid down his own life 1 Jn. 3:16. TRINITY is a word man has made up in a poor effort to describe the Godhead. Ultimatly the Godhead was in Jesus and the 3 are one. Jesus has all power and it is through him and his propitiation we will be saved. God bless you |
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3 | The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost. | Bible general Archive 1 | meusing | 76837 | ||
Last thing first. the word "Trinity" just says what is plainly taught in the Scriptures, that the Father is God, that Jesus is God and that the Holy Spirit is God, and that these three are one. It is interesting that you first agree with me and ssay that Jesus is God, and then in the very next sentence you say that "God is so much bigger than Jesus". If Jesus is God then he is not bigger than Himself. Please take a look at what Phil 2:6 reals says 'that BEING (existing in present tense) in the form (MORPH means having the essential attributes as shown in the form)" shows tht Jesus is God. not that He is "NOT God" as you said wich contridicted your earlier statement. He was God before He became human and He still is God. You are confusing Him with the Father. He came to proclaim the Father as God, just as the Holy Spirit proclaims Him as God. So it is "According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, unto the sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. Grace unto you and peace be multiplied. " (1 Peter 1:2 DRB) so that But every one in his own order: the firstfruits, Christ: then they that are of Christ, who have believed in his coming. Afterwards the end: when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God and the Father: when he shall have brought to nought all principality and power and virtue. (1 Corinthians 15:23-24 DRB) |
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4 | The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost. | Bible general Archive 1 | 2 Ti 2:15 | 76841 | ||
The word trinity, which isn't even in the bible and doesn't really matter what it means, actually originally meant there were 3 separate entities. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. These 3 were coequal in power and unified in purpose. Which is not what you are saying. Over time this word has lost some meaning and many people and church use it. It has really two meanings now. That which you state and the older original meaning. Again it doesn't matter what the word means as it's not even in the Bible. You say the Father God couldn't be greater than Jesus the man... JN. 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." I believe that Jesus was the "form" of God but since God in his fulness and is a spirit he has no form right? He took on a form, which was Jesus and though he was merely a man it allowed God to receive glory through this form. In truth God had no form as he is a spirit. in your statement ...He was God before He became human and He still is God. (here you are saying that Jesus is God, which I agree) You are confusing Him with the Father. (How can you confuse him with the Father when they are both the same... God) He came to proclaim the Father as God, just as the Holy Spirit proclaims Him as God. .....or are you saying they aren't the same, God. I am saying that God in the form of Jesus, was limited while he walked the earth by the weakness of man. Although he was "God" he was also completely a man. God cannot be tempted, yet Jesus was. God cannot hunger, yet Jesus did. God doesn't get weak, yet Jesus did. Does this mean the bible is contradictory? No it just simply means there is a relationship her that is hard to comprehend. Jesus was merely a man who was all that God could show in the flesh. So being everything God was in the form of man, made him the image of who God is. The spirit or sould was without measure in him alone, so God himself lived in this man. It will be in the last day when Jesus finally puts all things under his feet that he will submit unto the Father (which represents God in his fulness) and at that time it will be known that it was God in all. Until that time God has to remain as Jesus the mediator of mankind. But when all is finished that role will no longer be needed so Jesus will be glorified and sit on the throne. Well anyhow, I appreciate your comments, but I feel this conversation isn't going to go anywhere so God bless and may God reveal to both us a clearer revelation of him, his grace, and the word. Casey |
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5 | The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost. | Bible general Archive 1 | meusing | 76848 | ||
Your first paragraph is false, the Trinity has never meant three Gods. the Trinity is one God, three personalities. "3. And the universal [true Christian] faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; 4. Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Substance. 5. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. 6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one: the Glory Equal, the Majesty Coeternal. 7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son: and such is the Holy Ghost. 8. The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate: the Holy Ghost uncreate. 9. The Father is incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible. 10. The Father is eternal, the Son eternal: and the Holy Ghost eternal. 11. And yet they are not three Eternals: but one Eternal." Please do not put words in my mouth, I was responing to YOUR tatement that 1.Jesus is God, 2. God is bigger that Jesus. if 1 is true that Jesus is not bigger that God, because He Is God. I did not say anything about the Father. John 14:28 is explained in Phil 2:6 that Jesus, being God emptied Himself and to take on the form of a man. you say God has no 'form' when it is shown that 'form' means the essential attributes of His nature do you mean that God has no essential attributes? I am not Confusing Jesus with the Fathere as I am speaking of Jesus. The Fathere is God and Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God. Is am saying what Jesus said. He spoke of the Father as God and spoke to Him as a separate person and God the Father replied to Him. Jesus spoke of the Holy Spirit as a separate person. To be tempted and not sin is the whole reason that Jesus, being God, became man, and subjected himself to temptation and the cross. on Earth He was Immanuel God with us, showing us how to submit ourselves to God the Father, with the power of God the Spirit Philippians 2:6-11 DRB Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (7) But emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man. (8) He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross. (9) For which cause, God also hath exalted him and hath given him a name which is above all names: (10) That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: (11) And that every tongue should confess that the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father. |
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