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1 | Are there saints that willl come through | Bible general Archive 1 | prayon | 4759 | ||
I believe that some will make it through the tribulation because God is merciful and His grace abounds. Throughout the bible God has given people every last chance to be saved because of His great love for us. I can not believe that it will be any different in the tribulation times. I don't see Him deserting anyone and leaving them without someone to provide guidance to Him. Some saints will have to remain on earth to do His work. As for starving from the inability to buy food, I remind you of 1Kings 17:6 where God ordered the ravens to suply Elijah with food. Mark or not, God can provide for all our needs. I admit this could be an assumption on my part. | ||||||
2 | Will saints come through the tribulation | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 4765 | ||
Prayon I can hear your heart in this and I agree that God will give every chance for people to be saved. I'm not denying that people will be saved during the tribulation (I believe it will mostly be Jews and in much small numbers than is the current popular teaching). I'm just saying from what I read in the Bible, implies to me the cost of that "last chance" will be their lives as they are martyred or die from other causes. You also said God would permit some to remain to do his work. Quite frankly if voices from Heaven above proclaiming the holiness and wrath of God doesn't convince people, I fail to believe even a gifted orator and preacher of the caliber of Spurgeon would have much of an effect. Does anyone see scripture that states or implies there will be saints that live through the Tribulation? | ||||||
3 | Will saints come through the tribulation | Bible general Archive 1 | gmsmith101 | 4776 | ||
Because of the sequence of events and they way they are described in Jesus' account in Matt. 24: 4-28, I believe that the church will be here on earth during the tribulation. | ||||||
4 | Any other thoughts? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 4787 | ||
GMSmith101 Thanks for your input, it is appreciated. As you know the debate as to whether the church will be here on earth during the tribulation has been going on for years. Most people either believe in Pre-Trib the church is raptured before the beginning of the Tribulation. Or Mid-Trib where the church will be raptured out in the middle of the Tribulation. My question is not so much whether the church will go into the tribulation my question is will any saints remain at the end? Reading the Book of Revelation leaves me with the opinion that no believer will be alive on earth at the end of the Tribulation. I think the verses you reference do indeed talk about the tribulation, and I thank you for bringing them up. But in verse 30 of that same chapter it says, “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.” Matthew 24:30 The word MOURN sticks out. Since Jesus’ return is at the end of the Tribulation and it says ALL will mourn, I think that is a clue there isn’t any believers on earth. Please consider verse 31 it says “And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.” Matthew 24:31 It specifies four winds from one end of sky to the other. It isn’t talking the four winds of the earth. NKJV replaces “sky” with “heaven”. Again a clue that there won’t be any saints left on earth. Please let me submit these three verses 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:16 hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, I believe they tell us we are not to endure God’s wrath yet in Rev. 15:7 “Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives forever and ever.” So again I think this is saying the believers will be gone by this time. I know some may interpret God’s wrath to mean God’s judgement and that believers are in fact spared from God’s judgement. I think there is a big difference between God’s wrath seen poured out on earth in the tribulation and the justice that will be meted out at the Great White throne. Please, any other thoughts? |
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5 | Any other thoughts? | Bible general Archive 1 | gmsmith101 | 4791 | ||
I understand your view. But in light of the words of Jesus Himself, and the sequence He describes, I continue to believe the church will be here until after the tribulation. Jesus says in v. 22, "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short." If the elect weren't still here, there would be no need to cut the days short. As far as v.31 goes, it follows 29 and 30 which describe events AFTER the tribulation (v. 29 begins with "But immediately..." and v. 30 begins with "And then..."). Jesus is saying the elect will be gathered AFTER the tribulation. | ||||||
6 | Please I need some ideas | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 5593 | ||
Please I need some ideas, My quesion is who is going to be living on earth during the Millennium? Some have answered and said it is the saints - that is correct, but they are ruling and reigning with Christ. My question is who are they going to rule and reign over? I can think of two possibilies, 1. they are tribulation saints that weren't martyred, but that seems to be problematic in light of the rebellion at the end of the millennium 2. People that aren't saved but somehow avoided taking the mark of the beast, that too has problems in light of Revelation that implies you will have to take the mark to survive. I find can nothing in scripture to clarify this picture for me. Can anyone offer clarity of scripture that might indicate who will live upon earth during the Millennium. |
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7 | Please I need some ideas | Bible general Archive 1 | prayon | 5615 | ||
Ed, In the Everyday Bible Commentary by Charles Caldwell Ryrie it states that John saw 4 groups of saints in Revelation 20:4. First he saw those who sat on the throne and who shared in the judging, apparently the church. Then he saw a particular group of martyrs - those who were beheaded. Finally he saw a group that had refused to worship the beast and receive his mark. Those (referring to the last group) are the ones who will live and reign with Christ. In answer to your comment of the 2nd question concerning surviving without the mark, I remind you that God can do anything. In 1Kings 17:4 He provided for Elijah by sending his food to him by using ravens. I truly believe that any people who do not receive the mark will be provided for. After all Matthew 6:26 states that God provides for the birds of the air. Aren't we of more value than them? Verse 33 states that if we strive first for the kingdom of God and His righteousness all these things will be given to us. Isn't that what the saints of the tribulation will be doing, striving for God's kingdom and His righteousness? I'll bet that they will be stiving a lot harder than we do today - and He provides for us all we need to survive. prayon |
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8 | What will be left after the Tribulation? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 5696 | ||
Prayon that is what I had always been taught and what I believed, that there would be some saints that would make it through the tribulation and go into the millennium. But two things make me question this. First what is going to be left after the tribulation? Hardly anything, most of mankind and the earth will have been destroyed. The new earth and new heaven comes later. Sure doesn't sound like there will be much for Christ and the resurrection saints to rule and reign over. Secondly the implication is there that some people will live the full 1000 years. Does that mean these people will live the whole way through the tribulation, resisting all the horrible things that would tempt them to curse God, only to rebel with Satan at the end of the millennium? I think not! As I see it the earth will have been virtually destroyed. Grass, trees, river and oceans, every living thing destroyed. Virtually all of mankind will have been destroyed, either through disaster, murder and mayhem, or in the battle of Armageddon. The teachers of the post Tribulation Millennium must have saw something in scripture that answered these concerns and I'm wondering does anyone know what scriptures they are? |
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9 | What will be left after the Tribulation? | Bible general Archive 1 | Searcher56 | 5716 | ||
Rev 20:1-6 is about the Millennium. Chapters 8-9 tell a third of everything will be destroyed. But, still there is plenty to rule over. Those who rebel will be like Eve and Adam who also had it great ... and believed the lie of Satan. I also see that while the Israelites promised to follow God in Joshua 24 ... the next generation rebelled (Jud. 2:10). So I think there will be rebels at the end of the Millennium. Steve |
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10 | Aren't a lot more killed in chapter 16? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 5779 | ||
My friend a third? what about the bowl judgements of chapter 16? Ocean like dead men's blood rotten and everything dead, rivers and springs virtually all drinking water turned to blood, Sun so hot it scorches, earthquakes powerful enough to level every mountain and sink every island along with hail weighing 75-100 lbs. And those that aren't dead meet at Armageddon to face the final wrath of God. I think it will be a lot more than 1/3 destruction. To me it sounds like total and complete destruction. I still need help coming up with an answer of who will be in the Millennium. |
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11 | Aren't a lot more killed in chapter 16? | Bible general Archive 1 | orthodoxy | 5780 | ||
Here's a suggestion: abandon dispensational premillenialism. You will never resolve your question as to who will be in the millennium unless you do. Being amillennial/preterist myself, I believe that the millennium is now, and that we, the saints, reign with Christ. Cf. Ephesians 2. Being "seated" is the symbol of authority, just as a king sits on a throne. We already reign with Christ, but await the final fulfillment that will come when Christ returns (cf. Rev. 2). | ||||||
12 | What about chapter 16? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 5785 | ||
You know unless someone can come up with a better answer that might be my choice. Let me ask you what do you do with Revelation chapter 16? If you believe that this has already taken place can you give me some indication as to when and where? |
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13 | What about chapter 16? | Bible general Archive 1 | orthodoxy | 5804 | ||
I believe that Revelation has a threefold purpose. The first is to provide the church with a glimpse of heaven, which in turn makes a gigantic part of Scripture make a lot more sense. All of the tabernacle furniture? Mirrored in Revelation at some point. The great covenant promise given to Abraham in Genesis 17:7? Cf. Revelation 21:3. The entire book is filled with parallels of this kind. The second purpose, and the most directly applicable to the original audience, is to prophacy about the events surrounding the destruction of Jerusalem. The similarities are striking. And in Josephus, who records the war in 67-73AD, says that the Christians had fled Jerusalem for they had a word of revelation. This is the preterist part of my eschatology. I believe that most of Revelation except for the second half of 20-22 has already happened in the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem. The army from the north (Rome), came through the land and killed upwards of a million Jews. Severe famine, widespread death, disease, and destruction. The third purpose of Revelation is to provide the church with snapshots of what life will be like between the Advents. There are many possible "fulfillments" of these passages, for in this sense are not intended to speak about a single event (except for, of course, the great white throne, New Jerusalem, and imagery of that type). As such, saying that Revelation 16 "has already taken place" doesn't make much sense when using Revelation in this third way. It has happened many times before, and will happen many times again. The passage is intended to be a comfort to the church, stranger in a strange land, that God will come to judge her enemies and vindicate the righteous. |
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14 | More help with the millennium | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 5806 | ||
Okay, that gives me something to think about. If you beleive this is the millennium, then you probably believe that Satan is restrained in the pit Rev 20:2-3. If so where do you think all the sin in the world today comes from? Also we are told Satan's role is as an accuser of the brethern, how is this done if he is sealed in the pit? One other part still bothers me in Rev. chapter 16:19 it says the great city (Jerusalem?) was divided into three parts where has that occured? Thanks for giving us a preterist view of Revelation | ||||||
15 | More help with the millennium | Bible general Archive 1 | orthodoxy | 5811 | ||
Yes, I do believe that Satan is restrained. His capacity for deceiving the nations was removed at Pentecost. But "the nations" is simply a term for "the Gentiles." No longer is the Word only for the Israelites and those who choose to identify themselves with the Israelite nation. Also, just because Satan's activity is restricted does not mean that he no longer has any activity in the world. Also, I do not believe that the sin in the world comes from Satan. It comes from us; we don't need his help. We are quite capable on our own. Satan was the accuser of the brethren. But "who shall bring an accusation against God's elect." Satan no longer has anything to bring against God's own, for justice has been served in the atoning work of Christ. He can no longer accuse the brethren. About Rev. 16:19. During the siege of Jerusalem, a three-faction civil war broke out between the Jews. Stones weighing up to 90 pounds were hurled over the walls by Roman catapults. Check out http://www.credenda.org/issues/9-4eschaton.php and http://www.credenda.org/issues/9-5eschaton.php for more information on this subject. In fact, the entire Eschaton section on that site is definitely worth reading. Also, Kenneth Gentry's book _Before Jerusalem Fell_ is an excellent exposition of preterism, even though he himself goes the postmillennial route instead of my own amillennial direction. |
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16 | Three way split? | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 5820 | ||
This really isn't helping me to get an answer according to my premillennial thinking but it is fascinating. I had a thought could the three way split of the great city in Rev 16:19 be talking about the situation between the Jews, Muslims and Christians? | ||||||
17 | Three way split? | Bible general Archive 1 | prayon | 5823 | ||
I looked in 3 commentaries and got 2 different answers. The first is the one I like - That the cities division in to 3 parts is symbolic of its complete destruction. Three being the symbol/number of completeness. The second one I checked said that is could possibly be the world wide city instead of Jerusalem. The 3rd had no comment - I guess this is another one of those "Ahhhhh-soooo" questions. | ||||||