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1 | Why do you believe the earth revolves? | Josh 10:12 | kalos | 5302 | ||
Lionstrong: You write: "Where does the Bible say that the earth revolves?" May I ask, where does the Bible say: 1) water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit and freezes at 32 degrees; 2)wood floats and iron normally sinks; 3) which way is north; 4) summer is hot and winter is cold; 5) it's dark at night and light in the daytime, etc, etc. etc.? We don't need a verse of Scripture to prove every fact (historical, scientific, etc.) in the universe. |
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2 | How do you know? | Josh 10:12 | Lionstrong | 5313 | ||
JV, Answers: 1) It doesn't. And how do you know that water always boils at exactly that place on a thermometer (made in China) marked 212 and freezes exactly at that place marked 32? 2)through 5) are not scientific statements, but its not difficult to find examples in Scripture of wood floating, metal sinking, points of the compass, seasons of the year, and sunny days and dark nights. "...to prove every fact..." How do you know it's a fact, JV? Yours, in Him "in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." Lionstrong |
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3 | How do you know? | Josh 10:12 | Makarios | 5356 | ||
In the Bible, we have everything that we need. Notice that I used the word 'need'. It doesn't tell us or expand upon all of those little questions that we have that are secondary to the knowledge of salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ. However, we are without excuse in wake of God's creation (Romans 1:20) and many things we should just accept with faith (Hebrews 11:8-10). Unfortunately, the best way for our present world to 'affirm' itself in its findings is to base its conclusions (of history) on archeological findings and (of the present) the scientific method. Many things cannot be proven by either, so mathematics is generally used. These are crude examples of proving what we know to be true (the world is round, water is made of two Hydrogens and one Oxygen) compared to the Truth that we will find oneday when we enter the glorious presence of heaven. | ||||||
4 | What obligates to believe earth spinds? | Josh 10:12 | Lionstrong | 5390 | ||
Nolan: Thanks for your comments. In this forum some have used the expression sola scriptura (Scripture only), which I accept. If Scripture, God's word, is our only source of truth, then what can be proven true by science, and mathematics? Then too, can science or math prove ANY biblical statement true or false? With respect to our present discussion in Joshua, what obligates us to believe that the earth spends and then deny that the sun and moon stood still? Unless it can be shown by sound methods of interpretation that the phrase is figurative, we have to accept it as literal. So far, the only reason given to take it as figurative is NOT based on a study of Scripture, but by imposing a belief on the Scripture, a belief whose source is not the Bible, but science. How do you know Jesus loves you? But how do you know the earth spins on its axis? Yours in Him whoes word is the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth (Rom 2:20) Lionstrong |
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5 | What obligates to believe earth spinds? | Josh 10:12 | Makarios | 5425 | ||
Lionstrong:Science depends upon observation and replication. Miracles, such as the Incarnation and Resurrection, are by their very nature unprecedented events. This also is the case for the events for Joshua 10:12. No one can replicate these events in a laboratory. Hence, science simply cannot be the judge and jury as to whether or not these events occurred. This is what I have stated before to you: That we must accept this story upon the basis of faith. Since the events of Joshua 10:12 occurred in the Bible, then we can (and should) accept that as truth just because it is in the Bible. The Bible contains the ultimate truth. The scientific method is useful for studying nature but not super-nature. Just as football stars are speaking outside their field of expertise when they appear on television to tell you what razor you should buy, so scientists are speaking outside their field when they address theological issues like miracles or the Resurrection or occurrences like Joshua 10:12. I believe that nature and Scripture, properly interpreted, do not conflict. God has communicated to humankind both by general revelation (nature, or the observable universe) and special revelation (the Bible). Since both of these revelations come from God- and since God does not contradict Himself- we must conclude that these two revelations are in agreement with each other. While there may be conflicts between one's interpretation of the observable universe and one's interpretation of the Bible, there is no ultimate contradiction. We can and should believe the revelations that have been given to us by science! Since these have been proven physically, mathematically or acheologically, we should believe the findings that have been revealed to us, as long as these findings coincide with the 'special revelation' which is the Bible. God's Word does not change and neither does the Lord Jesus Christ change. However, science is in a constant state of change. Therefore, what we believe in science should affirm or coincide with the Bible. If what we discover in science does not coincide with the Bible (or help to affirm the Bible), then we must retract our scientific findings and realize the error of our findings (example: evolution). If we do not affirm these findings with Scripture, then we begin to go off onto all kinds of wayward tangents (ex. evolution, billion year old earth, etc..)Lionstrong, by reading my above answer, you can discern that I also believe that the Bible teaches 'sola scriptura'- that is, that Scripture alone is the supreme and infallible authority for the church and the individual believer. This is not to say that creeds, tradition, or science is unimportant, but the Bible alone is our final authority. Creeds, science, and traditions are man made. Jesus said, "Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). He also used Scripture as the final court of appeal in every matter under dispute (Matt. 5:18, Luke 16:17, Mark 7:13, Matt. 22:29, Matt. 4:4-10). So, following Jesus' lead, the Scriptures alone are our supreme and final authority.I also appreciate your input to the question of Joshua 10:12 even though I am beginning to wonder what you are trying to 'prove' by continuing to question why I believe in science as general revelation given to us by God. I sincerely question your motivation for writing such a sentence as "how do you know that Jesus loves you".. This leads me to believe that either you are not a Christian or a skeptical one at best. I know that Jesus loves me because the Bible says so. And I also know because of what Jesus has done with me and shown me in my lifetime already as I daily walk with Him! If you indeed need to either strengthen your faith or to accept Christ as your Savior, then I would suggest that you would do so! It is the greatest thing that you could ever do- is to accept Jesus into your heart and to begin to follow Him in all the areas of your life. | ||||||
6 | What obligates to believe earth spinds? | Josh 10:12 | Lionstrong | 5613 | ||
Thank you, Noland You put a lot of thought and time into your response to my comments, and I appreciate the courtesy of the answer you’ve given. Now, to respond to your thoughtful answer: The question is not whether science can determine if the events recorded in Josh. 10 occurred; it is how a faith in science influences our understanding or misunderstanding of those events. Some of us believe that it is a scientific fact that our solar system is heliocentric. The belief in this scientific doctrine when imposed on this passage of Scripture forces one to believe that the sun and moon did not stand still. Some of us, I think, have an unquestioned faith in science (for them it should be spelled with a capital S). To even question that the solar system is heliocentric is anathema. Now, compared to reading nature, it’s much easier to read the Bible to find truth. How do we know that Copernicus found the truth about the solar system when he concluded that it was heliocentric? Are scientists the only qualified readers of general revelation? Can’t a layman pick up this book too and question whether the scientist got it right? God’s special revelation is written down. General revelation isn’t. How is it possible to get all but the broadest truths from that revelation? Scripture itself tells us what some (if not all) of those broad truths are, when it talks about God’s glory and man's moral responsibility. And how many scientists have properly read their moral responsibility? Because the interpretation of the general revelation by scientists is not infallible, we are under no obligation to unquestioningly accept (believe) their conclusions. We are free to examine their physical, mathematical, and archeological proofs, and to withhold judgement until satisfied. Science has shown itself to be false. The nature of truth is eternal. And it does not change. What scientific “truth” two hundred years ago is still true today? So, whereas I believe that there is a general revelation, I do not believe in science as that general revelation. We teach our children in a song how they can know the love of Jesus. It is by the same revelation that we are to teach them to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. Lionstrong |
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7 | What obligates to believe earth spinds? | Josh 10:12 | Reformer Joe | 5628 | ||
I think you are confusing science with revelation. I don't think that anyone has ever claimed that science itself is revelation. Rather, science classifies what is revealed and also provides a methodology for revealing more of God's general revelation. I guess I am confused by the posts you have submitted the last several days. Are you denying that the earth revolves around the sun? That is not "science" itself, but an observable truth. I think that the last forty years of space exploration has revealed to us that either our perceptions are wrong (that the earth "seems" to go around the sun), or that the solar system is indeed heliocentric. I do not see how this "general revelation" contradicts Scripture in the slightest. In fact, it can be quite reassuring to us as believers that the Bible is a book that describes and doesn't contradict observable reality. That is much more than we can say for these man-made "holy books" (e.g. the Book of Mormon) which have been rightfully discredited by most when we discover and delve deeper into the wonders of God's creation and discover that the words on the page cannot be reconciled to what we have observed. Science is not the enemy of Christianity, if by "science" one means the exploration and documentation of God's creation. What is opposed to Christianity, however, is "scientific naturalism," the ruling out of any supernatural explanations before the exploration and inquiry even starts. This is not a scientific conclusion, though; it is a philosophical presupposition which science cannot prove nor disprove. There is no question that atheistic naturalism governs the study and research of most scientists, but it is not science itself. It is very crucial to make the distinction here, because once we start questioning whether anything we observe can be trusted, we lose the whole ball of wax on both general and special revelation. --Joe! |
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8 | What obligates to believe earth spinds? | Josh 10:12 | Makarios | 5846 | ||
Hey Joe, I think that this is the first time that we had the chance to interact here on the Forum. Thank you for your input, it was informative and helped to shed a little more light on our discussion here. Yes, I agree with you that science and general revelation should be viewed as part of what is actually observed. Thanks for contributing. I'm sure we will cross paths again on other issues. I must say that I liked your stance on Trinity/Oneness vs. RevC.. Very interesting!Your brother in Christ, Nolan | ||||||