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1 | Quality of faith | Heb 11:7 | terrib | 152707 | ||
Hi Doc, We are aware that Christ is hidden in to OT, for Paul says that these things are written for us. The point I am making is that in the time of Noah was he aware of Christ or was he aware of the God (yeh-ho-vaw) only? And this is actually a foreknowledge statement: "the lamb slain from the foundations of the world." For God knew that Jesus would be slain. The holes in your thinking is that you are looking at Noah with the knowledge that you have today. According to Rom 4 the promise was to have a child and Abraham believed God and that faith was imputed to him for righteousness. Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Again salvation through faith in God the Father (not Jesus) else Paul would have stated that. The Scriptures do not say that Abraham knew about Jesus. Yet his faith was unto righteousness. I am trying to look through Noah's and Abraham's eyes. See what they saw during their time and what they knew at that time. Not what we know today. For today we hear thunder and think it is just a storm...or is it? Our times today are so filled with things and things and we know what causes the rainbow, but back then seeing a rainbow was an honour a privilage and one would most likely fall on the knees and give thanks for the promise. Do we do that today? So, I try to put myself into the times of the one being written about. terrib |
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2 | Quality of faith | Heb 11:7 | DocTrinsograce | 152709 | ||
Dear Terrib, Note that I did not write anything about what Noah or Abraham knew or did not know. Indeed, I was not trying to "get into their heads" at all. The elect do not find merit in God's eyes due to anything they do, say, or think. Scripture is clear in affirming that the elect are beneficiaries of God's grace -- His unmerited favor (cf. Romans 11:5, 2 Timothy 1:9, 1 Peter 5:10, and elsewhere). So it was with Noah (Genesis 6:8) and so it was with Abraham (Nehemiah 9:7). So, the question -- a purely theological question -- is this: How are the elect who lived before the atonement of Christ saved? Christ declares, "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." (John 6:45) Referring to the prophecies of Isaiah 54:13, Jeremiah 31:34, and Micah 4:2, our Lord also says, "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." (John 6:45) Remember that Christ was the fulfillment, denouement, and perfection of everything in the Old Testament. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5:17) But also remember that salvation can only be accomplished through the means that God has provided. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Consequently, if anyone is saved by any means, it will be through Christ's atonement alone. Note that the sense of what I have said is also expressed in Hebrews 10 through 12. In Him, Doc PS My references to the "Lamb that was slain" come from Revelation 5:6, 12; 13:8. |
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