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1 | holy spirit guide men to write bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | stjones | 80646 | ||
... from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. -- 2 Timothy 3:15-17 I don't recall if the Holy Spirit is explicitly named in another passage. Given the nature and work of the Holy Spirit, it certainly reasonable to assume that it was the Holy Spirit who did the "breathing" (inspiring). Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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2 | holy spirit guide men to write bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | Ray | 80663 | ||
Hi Steve, Could it also be that the holy spirit is the "breath"? See John 3:8 or even John 20:22. From the heart, Ray |
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3 | holy spirit guide men to write bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | stjones | 80672 | ||
Hi, Ray; Interesting question - one that causes me to wax philosophical, so be warned! I don't know how your thought works in Hebrew or Greek, but I think the idea is intriguing. Maybe it comes down to what it actually means to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit remains a separate entity who speaks to my mind and spirit, then I think it would be more accurate to say that the Holy Spirit does the breathing/inspiring. But if the Holy Spirit infuses my entire being and speaks directly through my words, then it would be more accurate to say, as you suggest, that the Holy Spirit is the breath/inspiration. I sort of incline toward the separate entity just because it seems it would be easier for my sinful nature to ignore him as it too often does. This may be more consistent with the struggle Paul describes in Romans 7:7-25. I know that the Holy Spirit has affected my words - when suddenly called upon to pray in public, for example, or when (against all odds) I say exactly the right thing in a difficult situation, or when (lay) preaching without notes. I say "affected" because I can't describe the process that caused the words and ideas to come out of my mouth. I can't say that I "heard a voice", but the mind is a mysterious thing. The Spirit could speak to my subconscious mind and cause his message to come out in my words. Does the Spirit relay words through our minds or assume control of our mouths or pens and deliver his message directly? Speaking in tongues might be an example of the Spirit assuming direct control, but, again, I don't really know. I think the truth is that both explanations are kind of right and kind of wrong. The older I get the more convinced I am that human language can't capture the complete picture of anything to do with God. One of my favorite passages is 1 Corinthians 2:6-16. It doesn't really answer the question but expresses a truth that is bigger than the question. Thanks for getting me started this morning thinking about "the deep things of God" instead of the war or paying bills. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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4 | holy spirit guide men to write bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | Ray | 80728 | ||
Hi Steve, I appeciate our time together here. From what you have said, however, I believe that you did not catch the lower case holy spirit of my post above. You wrote: "...then it would be more accurate to say, as you suggest, that the Holy Spirit is the breath/inspriration." Actually, what I suggested is that the holy spirit [sic] is the breath. In relating it to John 3, the holy spirit is like the wind or breath of God. The holy spirit is like the word of God. In other words, I believe that we have the Messenger and the message. We have the Holy Spirit and the holy spirit. We have the Giver and the gift. The Word and the word. We have the Light and the light. I also believe that we have the Morning Star and the morning star. I believe that we have the Spirit of Truth and the word of truth. These last two sentences are "penciled in" on my personal copy, but that is how I see it. In the Scriptures are both the Power and the power. 1 Corinthians 2:4, "And my message [lit. word] and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the *Spirt and of power, that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God." 1 Corinthians 12:6,7, "And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. But to each one is given the manifestation of the *Spirit for the common good." I added the *stars for comparison of the verses. From the heart, Ray |
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5 | holy spirit guide men to write bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | stjones | 80744 | ||
Hi, Ray; You're right; I missed it. Now that I see what you meant; it's a good thought. I think Paul makes a similar distinction in 1 Corinthians 2:11 - "For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God." - spirit and Spirit, Spirit speaking to spirit. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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6 | holy spirit guide men to write bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | Ray | 80977 | ||
Hi Steve, I think we are on the same page now. Continuing on in your 1 Corinthians reference, I have "penciled in" my copy a lower case spirit for verse 12. Here is how I would interpret it for what it is worth. 1 Corinthians 2:12, "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by (God)." Matthew 12:28, "But if I cast out demons by the spirit of (God), then the kingdom of God has come upon you." Luke 11:20, "But if I cast out demons by the finger of (God), then the kingdom of God has come upon you." Ephesians 1:17, "that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit [sic] of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him/. I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of (His) power toward us who believe." Luke 13:18, "Therefore He was saying, "What is the kingdom of (God) like, and to what shall I compare it?" Luke 12:10, "And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the (Holy) Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him." From the heart, Ray |
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7 | holy spirit guide men to write bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | stjones | 81002 | ||
Hi, Ray; Thanks for the Scripture references. I think your examples represent an interaction of Spirit and spirit. Just to stick with 1 Corinthians 2:12, I don't see it quite the same way because of v. 11: "The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God". I agree that our spirit plays a part in the spiritual wisdom Paul is writing about - the Spirit of God, who knows "the deep things of God", informs our spirit. But what sets the saints apart is that our spirit is informed by God's Spirit while the non-believer's spirit is informed by the "spirit of this world" - Satan. Likewise, our spirit without the Holy Spirit wouldn't cast out many demons (Matthew 12:28). I think the key is the interaction or even the intermingling (if that's what it means to be indwelt) of God's own Spirit and our spirit given by God. But this isn't an argument that I would press because I don't think I can fully grasp the relationship among our minds and spirits and the Holy Spirit of God. It's entirely possible that, from God's perspective, we're like the two blind men who got hold of an elephant. You grabbed a leg and tell me it's like a tree; I grabbed the trunk and tell you it's like a big snake. In our finiteness, we can't see the whole thing, so we're both right but neither one of us has the complete picture. Or maybe you're right on the money and I'm completely wrong. It's happened once or twice before. ;-) Why do you suppose this thread is restricted from appearing on the home page? Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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8 | holy spirit guide men to write bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | Ray | 81048 | ||
Hi Steve, Again, it is good to talk of the "deep things of God" with you. I'll number my paragraphs as I write of the things that you brought up. 1) "Our spirit is informed by God's Spirit while the non-believer's spirit is informed by the 'spirit of this world' - Satan. I would have you know that there is much power in the spirit of God. Lk 11:20 and Mt 12:28 showed that there was power in the spirit (or finger) of God. I don't believe that we have to capitalize Spirit in 1 Cor 2:5 because it speaks of "receiving" *it or knowing "the *things freely given to us by (God)." John 4:25, "...when that One comes, (He) will declare all things to us." But there is power in the things given to us by God. 1 John 4:6 says in part, "By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error." Going back to Lk 11:20 we see that Jesus did not cast out demons by the evil spirit Beelzebul but rather by the spirit of God. Don't think that just because "spirit" [sic] is in lower case that there is no power. There are other discussion points that you have brought to my mind but perhaps I should quit here for now and hear from you. From the heart, Ray |
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9 | holy spirit guide men to write bible | 2 Tim 3:16 | stjones | 81781 | ||
Hi, Ray; Sorry for the long delay in responding. I am inclined to think that many instances of uncapitalized "spirit" are cases where the Holy Spirit is described but not named. For example, I may refer to Joe Pastor as the "pastor from First Presbyterian", or the "pastor from the church across the street", or "my pastor". They all refer to the same person but no capitalization is necessary in three of the cases. They are informal titles, not names. Likewise, I'm inclined to think that the "spirit of truth" and "God's spirit" are informal titles for the person whose name is the Holy Spirit. When Paul speaks of "a man's spirit within him", that is another case of a generic "spirit" not referring to a particular spirit by name. But I think that's just a general rule. Each case needs to be decided by the context - a good study, I would think. But that reaises another question. God is spirit. Is there a part of him that is not spirit? If so, it makes sense to refer to God's spirit apart from God himself. if God is pure spirit, then his spirit is himself with his many names. If God is pure spirit, then it seems "God's sprit" would refer to a spirit apart from God in some sense. I think the most like candidates (again determined by context) are (1) the Holy Spirit, who is both unified with and distinct from God the Father, and (2) the spirit that God gives to each person (Ecclesiastes 12:7) BTW, I have to disagree with your intrepretation of Luke 11:20. The word "finger" used in other contexts just means "finger" - i.e. Jesus writing with his finger in John 8:6, or criticizing lawyers in Luke 11:46 for not touching their own burdens with so much as a finger. I think Jesus was just saying that it takes very little effort for God to drive out a demon. This is an interesting discussion, but I am reminded that, in light of the event we are celebrating today, not life-changing. Hallelujah! He is risen! Peace and grace Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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