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1 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | TTime | 184377 | ||
Where are scriptures to support having to confront leadership or authority? I recall I believe there was a time when Peter had to confront authority... | ||||||
2 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | Searcher56 | 184378 | ||
Scripture ... Act 17:11, Gal 2:11-21, 1Ti 5:17-22 ... God's day to you, TTime, It depends on what the confrontration is about? It was Paul who confronted Peter (Gal 2:11-21). I do challange anyone when what they say doesn't line up with the Bible (Act 17:11). I do it in private, at first. 1 Timothy 5:17-22 is about a bigger issue. Two or three(witnesses) is usually about a death sentence or removal from the church (Deu 17:6, 19:15; Mat 18:16; 2Co 13:1; Heb 10:28). Searcher |
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3 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | TTime | 184379 | ||
Yes, that is exactly the scripture I was looking for. It is basically confronting leadership, that had reputation of hanging out with known drinker, drug user, homosexuals, and feels it it ok, yet the "worl" is frowning on the man and the ministry....HELP | ||||||
4 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | jlhetrick | 184381 | ||
Hello TTime, sounds like a dire situation and my heart goes out to you as you are apparently very disturbed about the situation. However, let my words be words of caution. It is far from our understanding, and possibly your own, just exactly what this leader is involved with. Possibly sinful behavior, possibly reaching out to the lost. So my caution is that you don't misjudge this person and act in a way that will end up embarrassing yourself and putting yourself in the wrong. It may be more appropriate to have someone more grounded in Scripture deal with this. It's no small thing to question or "confront" a leader called by God as we have to assume at this point this person is. While your mulling this over consider the following passage. Matt 9:10-13 10 And as Jesus reclined at table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were reclining with Jesus and his disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 12 But when he heard it, he said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician , but those who are sick. 13 Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." ESV God bless and prayer for the Lord's guidance on this, Jeff |
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5 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | TTime | 184390 | ||
Thanks Jeff, but I guess I have not really been clear. For one, yes I am very much grounded in the word. The question was actually for thoughts, and maybe experience. As far as the scripture you referenced, it does not apply, as this individual has expressed they feel that homosexuality, and drinking is ok. And I have actually spoken with some of those involved with him, and they basically have little to no respect for "salvation" and they feel basically church folk are simply hippocrates. As far as I am concerned when Jesus came into the presence of sinners, sick, etc., they left a different way, better than when he arrived, not he leaving in the condition, that they were in when he arrived. That said, if one will use this scripture to "justify" the behavior, then one should be changing lives, not having their life change. | ||||||
6 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | jlhetrick | 184426 | ||
Hello TTime, It seems you have resisted if not rejected my input. Allow me to clarify please. I did not intend to suggest that you have no grounding in the Word, I apologize for having come across that way. On the forum I have a habit of "cutting to the chase" as the space and time is limited for responding. Your original question was: "Where are scriptures to support having to confront leadership or authority? I recall I believe there was a time when Peter had to confront authority..." A clear statement that you did not have the Scriptural foundation to address the problem at hand. This issue being such a delicate matter, I felt it prudent to recommend you leave the matter to someone "more" grounded in the Word. I hope this is better expressed and received. Sorry you didn't find the scripture reference helpful. But your follow up to me did very well to demonstrate the application. You are half right concerning those sinners that Jesus interacted with. Some were changed, but some, as we see in the text, were not. Multiple encounters with the religious leaders of the day are good references. I agree totally that if this "leader" is accepting of the sin vs. the sinner then your concern is legitimate. While I am not an "official" church leader, I do believe I am a respected member of the church and local community. This weekend I will be attending a dinner party with my wife and her coworkers. It will be in a public place. There will be alcohol served and at least two of the participants are openly homosexual. I will be friendly and sociable. I know some things about these people and I don't believe a one of them to be saved. They also know a little about me. It's nice to know that my presence alone is enough to prevent dirty jokes and other behaviors that are customary for this group. I will enjoy my meal and my wife's company and pray that my witness will be obvious. Of course, I always pray that the Lord will use me to lead another to Him. God bless and thank you for allowing me to clarify. Jeff |
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7 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | TTime | 184463 | ||
Greetings Jeff, Please forgive me, in all "my" getting I like to get understanding...I appreciate your response, I just think I cannot be direct without being direct, if that makes sense. Now, I totally agree with you, as far as your upcoming dinner party, as I have/will be in the same situation. Again, I would be concerned if you are calling yourself a "Christian" representing Christ, and would be hanging in bars, clubs, drinking, etc.with the "very" people you say you are trying to win to Christ. I know we are suppose to hate the sin, but love the sinner as Christ did for us....I feel that we must allow those in our evvironment to come UP to the word of God, and not try to bring the word of God to our standards. I pray I am clear, I simply wanted to express the concern of having a leader with a reputation of drinking, etc, and hanging with people not claiming salvation, and then when I try to witness, they basically say to me, your "leader" I will leave it at that, was just at my house.....I trust you feel me, if not please pray if nothing else...The Bible says judgment will begin at the house of God, and I have heard in about 10 days, very tragic situations concerning people who did as Proverbs 26:11 says, one has been hospitalized with emergency surgery from DUI, and one is dead from a drug overdose..I am just concerning about the body of Christ. My desire is to try to represent him well, try NOT to bring any shame to him, and IF I do, own it, not justify... God Bless, and enjoy your dinner, (smile) |
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8 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | jlhetrick | 184475 | ||
Greetings TTime, thank you for your comments. I'm glad your concerned about the witness of Christians and I pray for a successful outcome regarding your current struggles. I do appreciate what you are going through. In my years as a Christian I have been disappointed by many in the church regarding their sin. In time though, I finally realized that my attention to their sinfulness did more to take time, energy, and effort away from dealing with my own sin. It's like racism. Focusing on the perceived shortcomings of the other in order to feel superior. It's a tragic trap to get caught up in. I agree that it is inappropriate for any Christian to be participating in any sin at any time for any reason. Any Christian, including one in a leadership position, needs to be held accountable when continuing willfully in sin. If you find it necessary to take on that role of disciplinary yourself, I hope this exchange has given you enough to think about during the course. One final thought and passage that hopefully will help. "Matt 7:1-5 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. " NKJV It is not my intention to call you the "hypocrite" but to encourage you to ensure that you are not. God bless, Jeff |
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9 | I can use Galatians 4:16 as a support. | 1 Tim 5:19 | TTime | 184476 | ||
Thanks Jeff, I will continue to pray, I am very hard on myself, some have said to hard, regardless, I don't expect others to uphold God's word, while I do not...exactly my issue, if I have to comply, so should we all....in closing this discussion, with statements like that, I guess maybe that is why people feel it ok not to confront wrong doing, I guess maybe Prophet Nathan should not have confronted David about his adulterous behavior...that said I hope I have not offended you by discussing this....Again, I cannot expect to hold back discipline with my children because I know that I am not perfect...However, my children can attest that I allow them to speak to me "with respect" if they feel like I am in error, as a matter of fact, my son did a couple of weeks ago, and I DID NOT say, son Judge yourself...I acknowledge my wrong...God Bless!!! Did not mean to offend! |
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