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1 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | Val | 220651 | ||
The book of Hebrews deals with the abolishment of the law. We are under a new covenant. The law was given to God's people Israel. The tithe is not repeated in the new testament. I am sure it pains pastor of churches and possibly other organizations to hear these words. A lot of people love to spend other people's money whether it be in tithes and offerings or taxes. | ||||||
2 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | Beja | 220659 | ||
Val, How shall I respond? Your post ignores every question I posted for thought and simply says that I'm wrong. My very first question was asking people to consider what scripture means by such things? Does every command need to be repeated in the new testament, or does the new testament assume the morality of the old? Show me please where the new testament forbids beastiality. And if you can not, shall I assume it is permissible since it is not repeated in the new? ENGAGE with what I said. Second, I think what you said was not very gracious. Why would you accuse me or anybody's motives as simply wanting to spend your money? I assure you that giving, and giving to the church specifically is biblical. Romans 12:13 says we are to be, "contributing to the needs of the saints." Galatians 6:6 The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him. 1 Cor 9:13,14 Do you not know that those who perform sacred services eat the food of the temple, and those who attend regularly to the altar have their share from the altar? So also the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel. Might I ask where the money is to come from for this? Is it not people giving to the church? I challenge you to study 1 Timothy 5:17 and 18. Specifically to a word study on the word translated as "honor" in verse 17. Then see how paul uses the same Ox example in 1 Cor 9. I assure you I need no "tithe law" to scriptually preach that people should be supporting the church and pastor. My motive is not some worldly enjoyment of spending "other people's money." My goal is that I very much want to learn what scripture teaches so that I may walk obediently before my God. I challenge you again to actually engage with my post rather than simply dismissing it. What did Jesus mean in Matthew 5:17 and the following verses? How would you biblically argue that beastiality is wrong? What if I deny that it falls under the blanket categories of fornication and immorality? Can you prove from scripture that when the NT says that we are no longer under the law, it means, "Nothing said in the old testament can any longer tell us how one ought to live?" My post was meant to help us start looking at our assumptions yet you responded with nothing but unspoken assumptions. Please clarify. In Christ, Beja |
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3 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | Val | 220661 | ||
Calm down Mr. Beja. If you are not in that category you have no reason to be offended. The book specifically says the law was abolished. It was for Israel. Greed is something every human being deals with. There is a verse that says take heed lest you fall. The issue at hand was tithing. No personal offense was meant to you personally. If you believe tithing is under the new covenant I simply disagee. Christ spoke much about the wolves that come in the church and dishonest gain. Many headlines today speak of people losing their life savings to these wolves. We just have different perspectives. The other subjects you mentioned would be covered in their own topics. I was speaking to the original question on the topic of tithes. Let us agee to disagree. Good Day. | ||||||
4 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | DocTrinsograce | 220663 | ||
Dear Val, The question of the relation of the Law to the Believer is an old one. As A. W. Pink phrased it: "What is the relation of the Law to the saint? Three answers have been given. First, that sinners become saints by obeying the Law. Second, that the Law is a rule of life for believers. Third, that the Law has nothing whatever to do with believers today. Those who give the first answer teach that the Law defines what God requires from man, and therefore man must keep it in order to be accepted by God. Those who give the second answer teach that the Law exhibits a standard of conduct, and that while this Old Testament standard receives amplification in the New, yet the latter does not set aside the former. Those who give the third answer teach that the Law was a yoke of bondage, grievous to be borne, and that it has been made an end of so far as Christians are concerned. The first answer is Legalism pure and simple: salvation by works; the second, relates to true Christian liberty; the third, is Antinomianism - lawlessness, a repudiation of God's governmental authority. The first view prevailed generally through the Medieval Ages, when Popery reigned almost supreme. The second view prevailed generally during the time of the Reformers and Puritans. The third view has come into prominence during the last century, and now is the popular belief of our day." Nowadays, I think antinomianism arises as an over-reaction to legalism. The old divines would speak of the Law as having three components: civil, ceremonial, and moral. The civil aspects of the law applied to the theocracy of ancient Israel, and disappeared in the second diaspora. The ceremonial aspects were and are continually being fully satisfied by our Lord Jesus Christ as Lamb, Priest, Prophet, and King. The moral aspects of the law are still the means by which we understand the holiness of God, and a mirror in which we understand ourselves. In Him, Doc |
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5 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | Val | 220665 | ||
Which do you think tithing comes under civil, ceremonial or moral? I am just going by old (Moses) covenant and new Christ) covenant. Hebrews clearly states the old was done away with. It is also referred to in Hebrews as the law. The whole bible is the believers standard of conduct. I can find no where that a certain percentage is to be given, 10 percent, or to demand that 10 percent from others. Isn't it between the believer and the Lord? To demand a percentage is legalism isn't it? | ||||||
6 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | DocTrinsograce | 220667 | ||
Dear Val, I would deem that tithing, per se, is mostly related to the civil aspect of the Law. There are numerous places where we are instructed to provide for the expenses of the church, its ministers, the furtherance of the gospel, and the poor. We could speak of tithing as a principle that correlates to such an activity. Of course, Christians understand that all that we have belongs to God. We do not own a percentage while God owns another percentage. There would be something fundamentally amiss in a Christian who failed to give to the church out of the increase that God has provided. Legalism is not about percentages. Legalism is the view that we can increase or decrease our acceptance by God through what we do, say, feel, or think. The error on the other extreme is the belief that what we do, say, feel, or think makes no difference. The Bible believing Christian understands propitiation as being the crucial element rather than expiation. Therefore, our giving arises out of our great love for the Lord (Luke 7:47b); it is an observable attribute of the regenerate. In Him, Doc |
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7 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | Val | 220669 | ||
Civil law is government. Is it not? We have a different government than Israel had. Of course our very breath belongs to the Lord. Are you saying it is wrong and a sin for a believer not to give to the local chuch ? Just so I understand your position. | ||||||
8 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | DocTrinsograce | 220671 | ||
Dear Val, You asked, "Civil law is government. Is it not?" Yes, but what I was talking about was the civil aspect of the Mosaic Law. You asked, "Are you saying it is wrong and a sin for a believer not to give to the local chuch ?" (sic) Yes, that is clearly commanded. It is the right of the minister to of the flock to receive remuneration in his efforts (Luke 10:7; 1 Corinthians 9:3-14; Galatians 6:6). In Him, Doc |
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9 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | Val | 220673 | ||
I left out the 10 percent in my question. Could you reread it and respond with the 10 percent in there? Thanks | ||||||
10 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | DocTrinsograce | 220683 | ||
Dear Val, I believe that if you add up the OT requirements you end up with something more than 25 percent. The NT speaks of tithing, hearkening back to the OT Law. The word tithe, as used by the church, often simply means giving to the church. I think the principle was lifted from the OT to have NT implications. No percentage is specifically mentioned in the NT that I know about. The redeemed as new creatures have a generous nature, and yet generosity has to be taught -- something we see repeatedly, as I said in another post here, in the NT. In Him, Doc |
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