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1 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | kalos | 59384 | ||
control a : to exercise restraining or directing influence over : REGULATE (to govern or direct according to rule) b : to have power over : RULE (a prescribed guide for conduct or action ) (www.m-w.com/) |
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2 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | Ray | 59399 | ||
Note: control 6.a spirit supposed to direct the actions and speech of a spiritualistic medium (Webster's New World, College Dictionary) Is that the sense in which the Holy Spirit works? Is He our Control? It could be I suppose. I have no problem with being controlled by the Holy Spirit and being used by Him for His good purposes. He made me and He can do whatever He wants with me. I have not problem with being led by the Spirit. But I would rather think of Him as the Comforter than as a Control. For me He is One called alongside to help me in order that my needs and responsibilities are met. He fills my needs for His purposes. I have no problem with that. He satisfies my hunger, He makes me full, His words are the "fill" that He uses. See Ephesians 9:13. Here are some meanings of the words "fill" and "filling" from Webster's dictionary. Note: fill 5a) to supply the things needed or called for in (an order, prescription,etc.) b) to satisfy (a need, requirement, etc.) 7) to satisfy the hunger or desire of; feed or satiate Note: filling n. n. 1. the act of one who fills I believe that we can talk about the One who fills, that is, the Holy Spirit; and also the "fill", that is, the holy spirit. But I see no "filling" in the definition of control. And I see no "control" in the definition of fill. Let's talk about 2 Corinthians 12:18 and Galatians 5:18 when we have time. From the heart, Ray |
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3 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | kalos | 59402 | ||
Ray: Good morning, my friend. Always good to hear from you. :-) OK. Let's try it your way for a moment. Webster's defines control as restrain, influence, regulate, govern, direct, rule. According to you, filled with the Holy Spirit does not mean controlled by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, the Holy Spirit, God, does NOT restrain, influence, regulate, govern, direct or rule. Grace and peace to you, kalos - - - - - - - - - - - - - control a : to exercise restraining or directing influence over : REGULATE (to govern or direct according to rule) b : to have power over : RULE (a prescribed guide for conduct or action ) (www.m-w.com/) |
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4 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | Ray | 59447 | ||
Hi Kalos, To be filled with holy spirit is a command that we have here in Ephesians. It is something that we are given as we walk in the light and bear the fruit of the light and learn what is pleasing to the Lord. The controlling is something that God the Holy Spirit does. He is able to lead and "control" us because we have filled ourselves with spiritual things, and are open to being used by Him. The disciples in the book of Acts were waiting and ready to be used of God and God filled them with power for witnessing for Him. This filling of the holy spirit was a gift not a Person. It was something that had been promised them. Acts 2:38,39. See Acts 2:17 and Joel 2:29 "pour forth of My *spirit." So again, I say that there is the Giver and the gift. There is the control and leading of the Holy Spirit and there is the power of holy spirit given to people ready to be used by and for Him. From the heart, Ray |
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5 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | Morant61 | 59453 | ||
Greetings Ray! I haven't had a chance to read all of your posts on this subject my friend, so you may have already answered my question. However, would you mind presenting your case for distinguishing between the Holy Spirit and a holy spirit? I never have understood your position on this and I would like to see your reasoning. Thanks! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | Ray | 59688 | ||
Hi Morant61, Some of my thoughts can be gotten from Numbers 3554, 15992, 16080, 33761, or 33601 where we spoke with Tim Cormier, the Tennesee Preacher as you may recall. I might start there again to state my position for I have yet again this evening struggled with John 7:38. In fact "Ray John 7:38" will bring up the numbers stated above. Computers are amazing but scary because our thoughts change in the passage of time and the learning of new things. We had spoken earlier about the antecedent for "From his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water." With that in mind would you consider this rendering, for what it is worth, for the passage? John 7:38, "Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in (Me), as the Scripture said, 'From His innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.'" v39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified." In my interpretation of these verses here by my capitalization, I have presented the Spirit and the holy spirit. There is the Person of the Spirit in whom we believe, and ALSO the gift of the holy spirit represented by the living water. The verses have both the Giver and the gift. Holy Spirit and holy spirit. Why do I believe that we need both here? Verse 39 says of verse 38 that the Spirit was spoken of. As Tim Cormier had said earlier in our discussions, the "Source" had been spoken of in verse 38. From "His" innermost being" came this gift of living water. For we believe in (Him) and He had not yet given holy spirit. I'll stop here and let you respond. Could you also give me your personal rendering for the Greek in John 7:40,41. Also verse 35? From the heart, Ray |
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7 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | kalos | 59692 | ||
John 7:38 NIV Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him. NASB John 7:38 "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'" AMPLIFIED John 7:38 He who believes in Me [who cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] as the Scripture has said, From his innermost being shall flow [continuously] springs and rivers of living water. ASV He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water. NKJ He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. KJV He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. NRSV and let the one who believes in me drink. As the scripture has said, "Out of the believer's heart shall flow rivers of living water.'" RSV He who believes in me, as the scripture has said, 'Out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water.'" TEV whoever believes in me should drink. As the scripture says, "Streams of life-giving water will pour out from his side.' " F16 R36 (FOOTNOTES: F16: [Jesus' words in verses 37-38 may be translated:] "Whoever is thirsty should come to me and drink. ... the scripture says, "Streams of life-giving water will pour out from within anyone who believes in me.'") New Century Version If anyone believes in me, rivers of living water will flow out from that person's heart, as the Scripture says. GOD'S WORD Translation As Scripture says, 'Streams of living water will flow from deep within the person who believes in me.'" World English Bible He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, from within him will flow rivers of living water The Bible in Basic English He who has faith in me, out of his body, as the Writings have said, will come rivers of living water. The Darby Translation He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Webster's Bible Translation He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Young's Literal Translation he who is believing in me, according as the Writing said, Rivers out of his belly shall flow of living water;' HCSB The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, will have streams of living water flow from deep within him. Wesley's NT He who believes in me, from within him--as the Scripture has said--rivers of living water shall flow. |
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8 | Filled by the holy spirit? | Eph 5:18 | Ray | 59698 | ||
Hi Kalos, Good morning. Which word of this verse should be capitalized now? For remember that this verse is talking about the Spirit. From the heart, Ray |
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