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1 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150000 | ||
Hi Mark, I know that you are worried that I look like a Jehovah's Witness spy that has been hiding in the ranks of the forum; what with my believe in a 'holy spirit'. Let me put your fears at rest; I am not a Jehovah's Witness. However, I do interpret a lower case holy spirit in the occurances speaking of being filled with [the] holy spirit. You need to find verses for me where the Person of the Holy Spirit is found in the passages of being filled with holy spirit. And I am talking of 'filled with' not His "coming upon them." I also believe that His Spirit indwells us; the Scripture "Christ in us the hope of glory" is well known by us. I just don't believe that we are "filled with the Holy Spirit". 1) When His (Spirit) indwells us then we are walking together with the (Lord). Romans 8:11, "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His (Spirit) who indwells you." Ephesisans 4:17, "This I say therefore, and affirm together with the (Lord), that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind,..." *********** Romans 8:11, "for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body you will live." Ephesians 4:18, "being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart;" ****** Romans 8:16, "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of (God)." Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of (God), by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." *********** 2) These are verses that show my understanding of the Person and the existence of a spirit that we have received. I believe that the Holy Spirit is a Person of the trinity. And I say it this way; that God is the Giver and the gift is holy spirit. I do not say that the Holy Spirit is not a Gift, just as the Son was the Gift of God although it isn't worded that way. But I am encouraging a consideration of the "holy spirit" as a gift. 3) You have asked for Scriptures that speak of the 'holy spirit', but we will talk of those when you get back with me with verses that talk of the Person in connection with being "filled with the holy spirit." From the heart, Ray |
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2 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | mark d seyler | 150008 | ||
Hi Ray, Lets look at Act 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit), and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Do you say that this does not refer to the person of the Holy Spirit? Were they filled with an impersonal force, or "gift", as you would say? If that is so, Who, then, "gave them utterance?" How can something that is not personal, and therefore not volitional, give something? But really, what I am looking for from you is a basic definition of what you mean when you say "holy spirit." Please help! Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150017 | ||
Hi Mark, Spirit or Holy Spirit, no matter, we know that the words speak of Deity. Although we know the Scriptures speak of Spirit of God and Spirit of Jesus, and His (h)Holy (s)Spirit, so it is difficult to know the mingling of these words concerning God. 1) Many of the passages that speak of being filled with the holy spirit have information in them about the word of God being heard, or the gospel preached, etc. In the Acts 2 passage the people who were filled with the holy spirit were "speaking of the mighty deeds of God." Verse 11. And they, being full of this knowledge of the mighty deeds of God, were speaking in tongues as the Spirit was giving them ability to speak out. So I see them "filled with the holy spirit" and the [Holy] Spirit giving them [ability] to speak out those words. 2) We also have the rushing wind and fire which suggests the baptism of fire and the moving of the spirit where it will as in John 3. The Teacher uses words to teach; and people who are born from above believe the Scriptures, and the word which Jesus had spoken. See John 2:22. "When therefore He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this, and they believed the Scriptures, and the word which Jesus had spoken." 3) The closest I can come right now to a basic definition of what I mean when I say "[holy] spirit' is expressed in John 3:34 in my interpretation of it. John 3:34, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the *spirit without measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand." All things, are the words of God, and holy spirit to my mind. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Hank | 150036 | ||
Ray, quite frankly if John 3:34 is the closest you can come to YOUR definition of 'holy spirit,' you haven't come within a mile of it, my friend. Why should you, who of all people are so fussy about capitalizing pronouns, deliberately cast "Spirit" in this verse in lower case, causing the RSV (Ray's Standard Version) to read 'spirit' instead of 'Spirit'? Ray, I checked four of the most respected Bible versions in modern English -- the KJV, NKJV, NASB, and ESV -- and not one of them agrees with your lower-case rendering of 'spirit' in this verse. Not one. When such an impressive array of scholars as are represented by these excellent versions don't agree with your theory, don't you think it's high time to reconsider your theory? .... Ray, you have not been able to show a single verse of Scripture in which the words 'holy spirit' appear side by side in any legitimate translation unless they are rendered "Holy Spirit." ..... I submit that the advancement of such questionable theories as this for which you have been unable to provide solid scriptural grounds are both misleading and confusing to readers of this Forum, and they constitute actions which are contrary to the guideliness set down for posting to this Forum and should not persist. Sorry, Ray, to be so blunt, but it seems to me that former milder hints at the unsuitably of your continuing to ride this horse to death went unnoticed. --Hank | ||||||
5 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | kalos | 150055 | ||
Hank: Not only has the heretical teaching of lower case holy spirit not been proven on this forum, it hasn't even been defined. Even if I were inclined to accept it, I would find it impossible to accept an idea that is neither defined nor proved. And, for the record, there is NO PROOF for the lower case holy spirit, whatever that means. Grace to you, Kalos |
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6 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Hank | 150056 | ||
Kalos: I appreciate -- and believe the Forum at large appreciates -- your timely note and comment. Moreover, let what we have noted here serve as a reminder to all and a warning to some that promoting any kinds of heresies is not permitted on Study Bible Forum, and that clearly unorthdox theological hobby horses are to be kept locked in the barn and not ridden on the pages of this Forum. --Hank | ||||||