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1 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150271 | ||
Hi Doc, You wrote that "Even in English, the phrase "without measure" does not necessarily mean that that which is given is measurable." My point was that the holy spirit was given without measure to us and that it indeed was immeasureable. John 21:25 reads, "And there were also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books which were written." 1) The words used by your commentary authors that suggest the holy spirit to me are "fountain, as in a bottomless ocean", Matthew Henry; "every gift"...and the "fulness of grace", "oil of gladness",...immeasurable unction, John Gill; "entire fulness of divine life and divine power" Robert Jamieson. 2) John 3:34: God is the Holy Spirit, Jesus is the Holy Spirit; God does not give the Holy Spirit to Jesus. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Hank | 150275 | ||
Ray: From the last paragraph of your post #152071: "John 3:34: God is the Holy Spirit; Jesus is the Holy Spirit; God does not give the Holy Spirit to Jesus." Not one of these statements is orthodox; all are heterodox. They do not reflect Trinitarianism at all. ..... The doctrine of the Triunity (Trinity) is a distinctive and essential doctrine that there is one God in three Persons. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. BUT there is a distinction between the Persons so that the Father is not the Son, the Father is NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT, and the Son is NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT. Each is a Person; therefore, the Holy Spirit is not to be envisioned as a mere force or influence. ..... The statement, "God does not give the Holy Spirit to Jesus." contradicts Scripture, my friend. Pray tell me who it was that anointed Jesus in the wake of His baptism (Matt, 3:16; Mark 1:10). Who led Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted? (Matt. 4:1; Mark 1:12). And was not Isaiah descriptive of the coming Messiah when in 11:2 he wrote: "The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of council and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord." ..... And, Ray, I await still your furnishing of sufficient proof that would enable you to write a scriptural "QED" to your "holy spirit" theory. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150278 | ||
Hi Hank, Heterodox: opinion, akin to dokein, to think, seem: departing from or opposed to the usual beliefs or established doctrines, esp. in religion; inclining toward heresy; unorthodox. John 4:23, "...for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 (God) is Spirit..." 2 Corinthians 3:17, "Now the (Lord) is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit." 1) I agree that "the Holy Spirit is not to be envisioned as a mere force or influence." But I am having you consider the holy spirit as a force or influence for there is power in the word of God. 2) There is a difference between "giving the Holy Spirit to Jesus" and the idea that the Holy Spirit came upon Jesus. The Holy Spirit came upon Jesus and He was filled with the holy spirit and washed and baptized with the word. Matthew 3:11, "As for me, I baptize with water for repentence, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the *holy *spirit and with fire." That is the way I see it. From the heart, Ray 3) You will have to explain to me what a scriptual "QED" is. |
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4 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Hank | 150311 | ||
Ray: Your taking the trouble to give me a definition of "heterodox" was kind but quite unnecessary, since I used it correctly in my post and obviously knew what it meant before you told me. .... But since YOU asked me to explain what a "scriptural QED" is, I'm happy to comply. "QED" is an abbreviation of the Latin "quod erat demonstrandum" meaning "that which was to be demonstrated." It is a phrase used to signal that a proof has just been completed. So, when I said, "I await still your furnishing of sufficient proof that would enable you to write a scriptural QED to your 'holy spirit' theory," the exact meaning of what I said should now be clear to you. .... So let's see whether you've learned anything about "QED" by using Matthew 3:11 as a test case. In your post to which I'm now responding, in the sixth paragraph thereof, you wrote: "The Holy Spirit came upon Jesus and He was filled with the holy spirit (sic) and washed and baptized with the word. Matthew 3:11: 'As for me, I baptize with water for repentence, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandles; He will baptize you with the holy spirit (sic) and with fire.'" ..... Ray, what are you trying to prove by deliberately changing 'Holy Spirit' to 'holy spirit' in a direct quotation from the NASB, which obviously is the translation you quoted from? What gives you the liberty and authority to change anything that appears within quotation marks of a passage from which you make a direct quotation? Ray, it's not even being honest when one pretends to post a direct quote but takes the liberty to change whatever material he feels like changing that appears within the quotation marks. You have changed what the NASB rendered 'Holy Spirit' to 'holy spirit.' I can come up with no other reason that anyone would do such a thing unless it's an attempt to bend Scripture to agree with a false doctrine. That's exactly the tactics that Watchtower uses with their New World Translation. ..... By the way, I checked out the rendering in Matthew 3:11 of "Holy Spirit" in 11 versions of the Bible in addition to the NASB, making it a dozen versions in all. Without exception, they all agree with the NASB's rendering of 'Holy Spirit' and not 'holy spirit,' as you have done. Those additional 11 versions are KJV, NKJV, NIV, New Living Translation, Amplified Bible, Berkeley Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, English Standard Version, Today's English Version, New English Bible, and New Century Version. --Hank | ||||||
5 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150317 | ||
Hi Hank, You have been unfair in presentation of my quotes of Matthew 3:11. When I change a Holy Spirit to a *holy *spirit I put the star next to the word. And in the post in question I also said, "That is the way I see it". I have never been dishonest in my presentation. However, YOU have printed my quote saying that instead of stars at the *holy *spirit that I put the (sic) after the words instead. That is an unfair presentation of what I wrote and slanderous. From the heart, Ray |
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6 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Hank | 150319 | ||
Ray, let's get off this threat of slander! No slander or intent to slander is involved. When I inserted my parenthetical (sic), I was following standard English usage. The adverb "sic," meaning thus, so, when enclosed in parentheses and immediately following a word of phrase, is used to indicate that a quoted passage, especially one containing an error or incorrect spelling, has been retained in its original form, i.e., as it was originally written. Therefore I added nothing to your text per se when I reproduced it in my post. I was being neither unfair nor misrepresentative of your post. On the contrary, I copied the portion of your post that I quoted in mine verbatim. Ray, isn't this simply yet another effort to dodge the issue and avoid answering my questions about your 'holy spirit' theory? --Hank | ||||||
7 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150480 | ||
Hi Hank, O.K. enough said about the quote. My holy spirit theory has been influenced by "Word Studies on the Hoy Spirit" by E. W. Bullinger. Search "Bullinger" for information. From the heart, Ray |
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8 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Hank | 150514 | ||
Ray, thank you for your response and your offer of a "truce" which is gratefully accepted! As for E. W. Bullinger, his theories on theomatics and Bible numerology never have rung my theological bell with any more enduring reverberation than Michael Dosnin's "The Bible Code" did. I read them both and tossed both aside as theoretical hogwash and have lived to regret that I wasted my time on either. ..... Moreover, my exposure to some of Bullinger's theories on "pneuma hagios" (Holy Spirit/holy spirit) leads me to think that I would not care or dare to embrace them. I thought Tim Moran made a fine disseration (Post 142668) on "pneuma hagios" back on January 22 of this year. It bore fruit with me and I trust with other Forum readers, but alas! no evidence that it did with you, for you continue still to hang onto and promote your views, a situation that has continued unrelentingly for months on end. In a response to Tim Moran that you made back in January, I find these words, "What I am looking for from you is that there is no 'holy spirit.'" Ray, what I and others on the Forum are looking for from you is that there is. .... From the heart and mind. --Hank | ||||||