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1 | is water-baptism needed for salvation? | Eph 2:8 | Godinus | 223835 | ||
Excuse me but haven't these opinions everyone is voicing been argued for over 500 years don't they all come down to each one's own doctrinal beliefs? As long as it can be agreed that were all saved and that arguing doctrine causes division that then should be the end of it. Unless the deeper meaning of each one's respective doctrine says that anyone not believing their doctrine is a heretic (not saved) then the whole discussion takes on a whole new meaning. According to Mk.16:16 there is a two part understanding to salvation the believing part which would be the forgiveness of sins and the baptism part which would be our resurrection from the dead unto newness of life. In reference to 1 Pet.3:21 when Peter says "corresponding to that" what is baptism being corresponded to? Also could you tell me what the brackets in this verse are for? Godinus |
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2 | is water-baptism needed for salvation? | Eph 2:8 | Beja | 223836 | ||
Godinus, You said that we should not be concerned so long as we can agree on two things. 1.) That we are all saved. I am very hesitant to affirm that anybody who is depending on something which we do, is in fact a saved person. 2.) That arguing doctrine causes division. I agree that it does, but if you are implying by that that we should cease to argue doctrine then I disagree entirely. It is very important that we understand what scripture teaches. Give me a divisive search for truth rather than a happy unity in heresy any day. Though admitedly a happy unity in truth is the goal. To answer your questions. 1.) Corresponding to what? Noah and his family being brought safely through the waters of the flood. That should be pretty clear though how it corresponds to it is certainly less simple. 2.) The brackets signal an interruption from the train of thought. In this case, Peter is saying that baptism now saves us, but he interupts his train of thought to make sure that we all know that when he says this he does not mean the dunking in water. In Christ, Beja |
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3 | is water-baptism needed for salvation? | Eph 2:8 | Godinus | 223837 | ||
Beja What I am saying is you have a doctrine you believe clsx2 has his doctrine. Both seem to be mutually exclusive. Through this "divisive search for truth" concerning the subject now under discussion what would be the truth which you are seeking? My point being if you could be brought to the point of accepting the doctrine of clsx2 what else within your doctrinal belief structure would also have to change? Would you not concur that once a person has used wood, hay, stubble, in their building that there would be a grater likelihood that they would continue to use those building materials? The wood, hay, stubble being representative of false doctrine and thereby leading them to deception. There have been two definitive answers to the question "YES" "NO" they are diametrically opposed. I say answer the question as best it can be answered by each side then allow God through the Holy Spirit to impress upon the heart of the one asking the question which answer to accept. In the debating of these issues neither side ever changes their doctrinal belief is this because the search for truth isn't as high on the agenda as the defense of one's doctrine because both sides are coming to the table with the truth as they believe it to be so neither side in the debate is looking for truth per se they both already possess the truth it then again becomes a defense of doctrine. Godinus |
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4 | is water-baptism needed for salvation? | Eph 2:8 | Beja | 223839 | ||
Godinus, I understand what you are saying. However, while I probably have no chance to convince clsx2, there are literally hundreds of people who frequent these forums to read them but never ever post. Among those people are some that read a post such as clsx2's and wonder how to respond to a verse such as what he referred to. Sometimes even when I have no expectation to persuade the person I'm speaking to, I post for the sake of the silent readers. In Christ, Beja |
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