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1 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | InGodITrust | 187931 | ||
lookin, For confirmation, please look on the Catholic web page, via search engine. If you use a search engine just put any one of those guys names and it will bring up many listings as well as the Catholic page. They are listed (I don't recall if all their names are) by the Catholics as saints and former Catholic church leaders. However, you are correct as far as that goes, and yet many Christians were "not at all" a part of the system then known as "the church." In early church history there was only one universal church. But, it was the foundation as well as the original Roman Catholic church; one and the same. God Bless, InGodITrust Hope this helps........ |
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2 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | InGodITrust | 187934 | ||
Lookin, As you can tell I am new to the forum. I have been following the long and arduous debate about eternal security. Perhaps Psalm 25 was not very clear about what he was stating. However, I do follow his argument that Ephesians 1:13 is in complete context with Ephesians 1:4 and that we must take the whole of chapter one in one stream of discourse. I agree that 1:13 "the sealing" being a one time action from eternity past. If I am correct the entire debate was eternal security? Therefore, what God chose before the foundations of the world was sealed then; the sealing took place before the foundation. Of course the effect of that sealing was after salvation. God, knowing who would believe (no matter how you debate whom and why) sealed all such future believers in eternity past. This does not mean we all literally existed in eternity past but that God,knowing who would become believers, sealed them in Christ through the Holy Spirit. As I have many years of studying I think you will find that all (or hopefully most) Biblical scholars agree that any time the Bible says "God seals" it is something that no one or absolutely nothing can "un-seal." With all that said I must agree that it is one of the strongest verses in the Bible on eternal security. Just my two cents worth! InGodITrust |
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3 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187955 | ||
InGod, 1. To say, "...the sealing took place before the foundation. Of course the effect of that sealing was after salvation," seems to me just a convenient way in which to manipulate the verse to promote what it does not say. 2. If there is a relation between v.4 and v.13 is that (a) the former reveals the purpose of God having chosen and (b) the latter shows what persons - the "us" - were chosen, namely, those -"you" - who heard and believed. 3. Upon their "hearing" and "believing" God Spirit-sealed them, gave them the Spirit as a foretaste of His glory to be revealed and as a sign that guarantees His faithfulness to fulfill his purpose that they (1) should stand before him holy, and, thereby (2) receive their inheritance. 4. Putting these verses alongside wach other, I also see that what is contemplated in v.4 is God's purposes for believers and in v.13, God's faithfulness toward believers to fulfill His purposes. 5. One can say these are two of the strongest verses in the Bible on God's purposes for and faithfulness towards those who are believing in Christ. 6. As far as a doctrine of "eternal security" is concerned, that is not stated here, nor does it seem to be in the mind of the writer. The doctrine may be true but if it is, as far as I can tell, one will need to look elsewhere for Biblical support to find it. |
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4 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | InGodITrust | 187976 | ||
Lookin, From false assumptions come absurd conclustions. InGodITrust |
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