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1 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 187215 | ||
Greetings Mark! That's a nice play on words :-) but the fact is, the gifts are given to the members of the body of Christ (Romans 12:6). Yes, we then embody the gift so to speak but the gift itself is from Christ given to men (Ephesians 4:7-8). You can call the person the gift or not, but we both know the person was no gift until the Lord God gave to him and placed him in the body where He desired. 1 Corinthians 12:18 (NASB) But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. The foundation was laid and is in fact still with us though the men which the gift was given are clearly with the Lord now. Their work was not in vain nor is there a need for it to be corrected or added to that I can find in scripture. By the grace of God and to His glory, they have glorified Him to the world even if the world continues to reject Him!!!!! You keep bringing up other apostles and prophets as if the fact we do not have in writing anything to attribute to them seems to add validity to the notion we still have apostles and prophets today (Am I understanding you correctly?) If so, How? My point is this, regardless of which ones or how many Paul is speaking of, I am not basing my understanding on who per say they were, but rather on what appears to me to be the clear text of scripture in Ephesians 2:19-20 and it was those apostles and prophets that are of the foundation spoken of here... Quick question, I don't know myself and I'm just asking. Do you find any significance in Revelation 21:14 to this discussion? God bless my brother, Steve |
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2 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | mark d seyler | 187282 | ||
Hi Steve, It is the Scripture that calls these people a gift, I am merely quoting it. Naturally it is the LORD giving that makes such a one a gift. Nowhere do I say that the foundation is not laid, or that there needs to be a correction to it. I merely point out that the Scripture says God gives us such people to build us up until we are perfected. As far as Revelation 21:14, that there are 12 foundations of the city, named for the 12 apostles, by implication may reinforce the idea that the 12 apostles are the foundation Eph 2 is speaking of. The reason I bring up others, such as Barnabas, who is called an apostle, is exemplified in this. I am thinking that Barnabas is not named on a foundation of the New Jerusalem. What do you think about that? Love in Christ, Mark |
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