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1 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | stjohn | 187104 | ||
Hi steve, Just a few thoughts on this. First of all I believe in miracles and healing. But much, if not most, of what we see today, compared to the multitudes that were healed during the laying of the foundation of the Church, are, I believe, a faded shadow of what was in that day. I am of the belief, that our business as followers of Christ, is to preach the Gospel. Look at the emphases in this verse please. Matt 11:5 the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM.. Notice how the emphases is on the BLIND RECEIVE SIGHT and the POOR HAVE THE GOSPEL PREACHED TO THEM. I see in this the spiritual sight that is given by the Holly Spirit, in the preaching of the Gospel. And look at this please. 2 Cor 12:7 Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me--to keep me from exalting myself! What are the revelations? May I say they are the Gospel. And why did not Paul have the power to just heal himself? And in another place he advises Timothy to take a little wine to aid him in an ailment that he had. Why didn't he just heal him? We need to examen ourselves very carefully, that we do not exalt ourselves, if the great Paul had to be careful. And then we have these freighting verses. Matt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Well, personally I think I'll just take it to the Lord in prayer, and if He wants to heal me then Praise the Lord! But I'm not going to a healer! I think we need to be very careful in this sort of thing. God bless. John |
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2 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 187200 | ||
Greetings Brother! I hear what your saying. Let me just say this. First, thanks for responding. For me it is just a great joy to discuss the word of God with my Brothers and Sisters in Christ. Like you, I just want to be sanctified by the truth (John 17:17). Also, there is a bit more we are required to do then just preach the gospel. Much is being overlooked in the church today as it appears there is much neglect of Matthew 28:20. But that's another discussion ;-) In regards to the gifts you are referring to. As I said, I’ve looked into this subject some and although I lean to one side of the debate so to speak, much of it I have not been able to reconcile to a point I’m willing to be dogmatic on it. I do believe it is important for the very reason we see today and that is many of the false teachings which stand on claims of certain gifts! We could list the different cults that have laid claim to Christianity that have done this very thing but most of us probably already know who they are. I’m not saying I disagree with you on the gift of healing. However, if I may be so bold as to say what you have offered really does not reach the level of establishing the truth in this matter in my opinion. Please don’t be offended as that is not my intent but I'm of the opinion these arguments fall short on the matter. Of course, so do mine probably. No pride here or self appointed authority, just trying to work it all out. Consider what you say regarding Paul not healing himself. Ask these questions. Who allowed it? What was the reason for it? Do you see my point that this falls short of establishing the answers to the overall question? It is my opinion that we cannot say that Paul could not heal himself because he did not have the gift to heal. Rather, the affliction was meant for Paul’s good (i.e. lest he should be exalted above measure). The gift was not meant to contradict the will of God! It just doesn't add up. In the case of Timothy, what need was there for a miracle of God to heal him? Evidently, the wine would have been sufficient. I think we must be mindful of what the gifts were given for! Just some thoughts! By Faith Brother, Steve |
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3 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | stjohn | 187212 | ||
Hello Steve, Amen brother, and thanks. I don't think I missed that point in your first post, i.e. being mindful of what the gifts were given for in the first place. I thought you did a good job of getting that across. at least I think this is what you are saying i.e. to prove without a doubt that Jesus was/is the Christ, and that the apostles were his chosen to preach the gospel of salvation. And please don't misunderstand me, I wasn't saying that Paul had the gift of healing, as I don't believe that is something that 'anyone' can take hold of, because it is God that does the healing, and always did, and always will. And please note that I didn't answer the questions, but I had thought that they would provoke the right answers. I guess I didn't do so well on that one. I didn't miss the gist of the verse, I just didn't do a very good job of getting the point across, as I had thought that the verse had done a good enough job on its own. And may I say that I greatly appreciate your desire to deepen my understanding, I'm proud to know you my friend. I also agree wholeheartedly that matt 28:20 is sadly neglected. However, I do believe that if we are preaching the Gospel, and proclaiming it with joy, that the other ranks 2'd. I do, and I will always, put the preaching of the good news of Jesus Christ and what He did on the Cross number one, and I believe, if we don't do that, then the rest is for nothing. Thanks again brother, and may I add, I agree with what was said about the 3,000 on the day of Pentecost that heard and believed being one of the (greater works) that Jesus was talking about. Sorry I don't remember who posted that, but I agree totally with that statement. And I would like to add that I too share your joy, in sharing and learning God's word with my brothers and sisters, it is indeed an honor and a privilege. Thank you, to all. God bless. John |
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4 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 187217 | ||
Amen on the good news of Jesus Christ! And trust me, I understand what your saying. I always like to tell the new Christians that express their lack of understanding of the scriptures and what everyone else is talking about that the most important thing they can understand from the scriptures they have already understood it and received it! Amen! Then of course I follow up with letting them know there's a lot in there I don't know and understand either :-) but I would love to study it with them and help where I can! God bless you always brother, Steve |
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5 | gifts of Healing and Miracles for today. | 1 Cor 12:9 | stjohn | 187223 | ||
Thank you brother! I hope we can have many hours of faithful study together, with everyone here at SBF I'm so pleased to have found it!!! Rom 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! Amen my friend. :-) God bless. John |
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