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1 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | DocTrinsograce | 165049 | ||
Dear Tim, Okay, then help me state it more correctly: You believe that God draws every single human being. However, this universal drawing is not effectual; i.e, it does not insure belief. Those drawn are required to add the additional essential ingredient of their belief for the drawing to result in salvation. If they are successful at mustering up from within themselves the necessary belief, only then will it actually result in salvation. In other words, God freely and sovereignly performs this work of drawing; if a man adds his work of belief, God freely and sovereignly accomplishes (gives) that man salvation. Am I getting closer to a correct articulation your teaching? In Him, Doc |
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2 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Morant61 | 165054 | ||
Greetings Doc! You are getting closer. 1) Yes, God draws every single individual (John 12:32). 2) Yes, there is no Scripture that states that this drawing will necessarily result in salvation. 3) Those who accept the gift will be saved (many verses). 4) But, accepting a gift is not a work. 5) God does not force us to accept the gift. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | DocTrinsograce | 165063 | ||
Dear Tim, Okay, then try this one on for size: You believe that God draws every single human being. However, this universal drawing is not effectual; i.e, it does not insure belief. Those drawn are required to add the additional essential ingredient of their belief for the drawing to result in salvation. If they are successful at mustering up from within themselves the necessary belief, only then will it actually result in salvation. In other words, God freely and sovereignly performs this work of drawing; if a man adds his belief, God freely and sovereignly accomplishes (gives) that man salvation. In addition, belief is not construed to be a work. Now do I have a correct articulation of your teaching? Also, would you say that the addition of belief causes a man to merit salvation? Or using your own words, does the "acceptance" of the gift cause the man to be worthy of salvation? In Him, Doc |
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4 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Morant61 | 165087 | ||
Greetings Doc! No one is 'worthy' of salvation! You are trying to make this definition too complicated. God did it all on the cross. He draws all of us to Him. He offers this precious gift of salvation to everyone. We can either accept it or reject it. It is really quite simple. Our will is not a cause nor a source of salvation. All we do is accept a gift freely offered to us. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | DocTrinsograce | 165102 | ||
Dear Tim, While we'd all agree the gospel message is simple, the mechanics by which God accomplishes is not nearly so simple. That's why divines on every side have spent so much time discussing it over the centuries! So, let's see if I have a statement that meets with your approval: "Tim believes that God draws every single human being. However, this universal drawing is not effectual; i.e, it does not insure belief. Those drawn are required to add the additional essential ingredient of their belief for the drawing to result in salvation. If they are successful at mustering up from within themselves the necessary belief, only then will it actually result in salvation. In other words, God freely and sovereignly performs this work of drawing; if a man adds his belief, God freely and sovereignly accomplishes (gives) that man salvation. In addition, belief is not construed to be a work nor a meritorious act." In Him, Doc |
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