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1 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | DocTrinsograce | 165004 | ||
Dear Tim, I can't seem to get anything out of what you are saying except universalism. (That 2 Peter 3:9 cog sure is important to your argument. Let's hope that you and Wesley have it right, lest the house of cards all come tumbling down! That's what's tough about building doctrines on linchpin verses.) So, if we discard universalism... as I believe you do -- lets take it as a given since I've never been able to wrap my mind around your argument on this point -- then we are left with the question: Why, then, are some men never saved? In Him, Doc |
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2 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Morant61 | 165005 | ||
Greetings Doc! Without getting into a long discussion, the short answer to your question is found in John 3:36: "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him." Those who are drawn and 'believe' will receive eternal life. Those who don't believe will not be saved. Unless, you are assuming that all who are 'drawn' will believe, in which case, you would have to provide a Scripture reference which states that this is the case. I look up every verse where 'drawn' is used, and none of them say any such thing. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | DocTrinsograce | 165012 | ||
Dear Tim, Correct me if I am mistaken: You believe that God draws every single human being. However, this universal drawing is not effectual. Those drawn are required to add the additional essential ingredient of their belief for the drawing to be effectual. If they are successful at mustering up from within themselves the necessary belief, only then will it actually result in salvation. God's drawing is a work He does alone by His own free will. Man's belief is a work He does alone by his own free will. God's drawing work in cooperation with man's belief work accomplishes salvation. I'm not trying to lay any booby-traps here. I need to be able to state these beliefs well if I am to grasp them. Please correct me if I've mistated your teaching. In Him, Doc |
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4 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Morant61 | 165019 | ||
Greetings Doc! Allow me to touch upon your points and questions. 1) Drawing effectual? There is not a single verse that states that those who are drawn will in fact believe. So, if by 'effectual' you mean that everyone drawn will believe, I would say that it is not 'effectual'. But, I would not call His drawing 'ineffectual' either. :-) 2) Yes, I believe that He draws every single human being, since this is what John 12:32 says. 3) You wrote: "God's drawing is a work He does alone by His own free will. Man's belief is a work He does alone by his own free will. God's drawing work in cooperation with man's belief work accomplishes salvation." I would not state it in quite this way. God alone accomplishes salvation, not man's belief. The best analogy that I can use is the analogy of a gift. A gift must be received, but the reception of the gift does not effect the gift itself in any way. The gift of God is salvation. He did everything. He offers it to us freely. We can accept it or reject it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Searcher56 | 165023 | ||
Is predistination part of the Calvinism/Arminianism debate? If so stop discussing it here. | ||||||
6 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | ebrain | 165035 | ||
Predestination, or their understanding of it is indeed part of Calvinist Teaching, that however is not the point. If you are saying that Calvinism/Arminianism is not to be discussed on this website, then I agree with you wholehartedly, however, Predestination/Election is a Biblical Doctrine, and I see no reason why it should not be discussed here. |
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