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1 | AA agnostic wants practical proof of God | Rom 10:17 | Triston | 37923 | ||
Are there any simple methods of convincing an athiest or agnostic in a 12 step program of the existance of a higher power and then eventually the fact that it is God? | ||||||
2 | AA agnostic wants practical proof of God | Rom 10:17 | ChadK. | 64505 | ||
Hi, There is no "easy" way to "prove" the existance of God to an athiest or agnostic. These people tend to make things much more complex than they have to be. They attempt to intellectualize every little matter and in the process end up confusing themselves. Not everything has to be complicated. You will find that when someone doesn't believe in some kind of God it is related directly the fear of actually admitting they are not perfect and need help from another source to overcome the inheirant corruption of the flesh. You don't need to argue over the existance of God. The first chapter of Romans states that the existance of God is evident even in nature so that all men are without excuse. If this person is in AA, then he has got problems and most likely wont make it past step 2. Step 2 requires you to admit that "we came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity." That would be God. If you can get a hold of an acurate history of AA, you will find that it was created by two christian gentleman and all twelve steps are biblical principals taken directly from the bible. Of course secular agents of AA will deny this vehemently. When secularists got a hold of AA, the first thing they did was remove the name of Jesus Christ and in doing so they removed all the power. Like taking the batteries out of a flashlight. Hey, that's a nice flashlight, but it's junk 'cause it don't work. AA has a documented 3 percent recovery rate while Judao-christian programs based soley on the Word of God like teen-challenge and some others have an average recovery rate of 83 percent... Big diffence huh? In Christ, Chad K. |
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3 | AA agnostic wants practical proof of God | Rom 10:17 | Hank | 64544 | ||
Hi, Chad. Those were impressive statistics: 83 percent vs. 3 percent recovery rates for Christian-based rehab programs and secular-based ones respectively. That's heartening -- such an overwhelming difference. Sounds like the score when the Arkansas Razorbacks defeated the Texas Longhorns. (Wait till I hear from Reformer Joe on this one :-) .... But we believers not only believe, but deep down in our hearts we KNOW that God can and does work mighty works through His people and mightier works through His word. He did it in Abraham's time and He does it in our time. I think the original question had something to do with convincing an atheist or agnostic of the existence of God. I know three men whose lives have touched mine profoundly who began their search for truth and meaning in life as atheists, came to know Christ, and eventually became powerful and influential apologists for the faith. Here's how it came about: Each of these men had been "talked to" by Christian friends, invited to church and all that. But their response was Foolishness! Hogwash! No Way! By and by came along to each of these three men three friends, kind and unassuming, who merely placed in the hand of each a copy of the Bible and asked him to read it through before giving up on God. Each man did and the results were as I have indicated: they surrendered to the authority of Jesus Christ, they were regenerated, they became staunch defenders of the faith. When a lean and hungry man comes to our door, do we invite him in for a discussion of the benefits of good nutrition, or do we ask him to sit at the table and set a meal before him so that he can feed upon it? --Hank | ||||||
4 | AA agnostic wants practical proof of God | Rom 10:17 | ChadK. | 64554 | ||
You're right Hank. I should rephrase my answer. Here is what scripture says about atheism: Psalm 10:4 "4 In his pride the wicked does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God." Psalm 14:1 "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good." Psalm 36:1 "An oracle is within my heart concerning the sinfulness of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes." 1 John 2:22 "Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son." So we can see that atheists lack understanding and are morally deficient which is what the hebrew word for "fool" translates to in our language. My children also lack understanding. So when my lean and hungry child comes to me and says "I am hungry." I tell them "Get an apple or some grapes." They say "Can we have a candy bar instead?" I say "No, get an apple or some grapes like I told you." then they say "I don't want an apple or grapes." Then I say "Then you are not very hungry after all are you?" Even though some folks seem to be searching for knowledge, when the truth is presented they either accept or deny it. If they accept it then Praise God. The bible states that a basic belief in God is just plain common sense in not so many words. But the bottom line along with my answer is still the same. "No". There is no easy way to convince an atheist of the existance of God. It's like trying to convince a drowning person of the existance of water. It just makes no sense. Just state the truth. Proclaim the gospel. Allow room for the Holy Spirit to work and then move on. If the atheist is a loved one then pray, pray and then pray some more but the sheep that do not belong to Christ will not obey His voice. Ever. In Christ, Chad K. |
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