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1 | predestined? | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 75118 | ||
Greetings New Creature! If you don't mind, I would like to address your question from a different perspective. I am an Arminian, but I don't take the approach that Rom. 8:29 refers to predestination based upon foreknowledge. The word 'foreknew' in Rom. 8:29 only occurs twice in the New Testament. Here in Rom. 8:29 and in Rom. 11:2. In Rom. 11:2, it clearly refers to Israel. Thus, I believe that Rom. 8:29 is a reference to God's plan for Israel, not for each individual. In other words, Israel has been predestined, but not each individual. This view fits the context of Rom. 9-11 as well, since the subject of these chapters is the relationship between Israel and Gentiles as it relates to the Gospel. If you would like to read more about this view, I would highly recommend Robert Shank's book, "Elect in the Son". Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | predestined? | John 3:16 | New Creature | 75122 | ||
Tim Thank you for that reply. I don't disagree with what your saying, however it leaves me hanging out on a limb wondering if God has one plan of salvation for the Jews and an altogether different plan of salvation for Gentiles. I even agree that Rom. 8:29 is in reference to the nation of Israel. Isn't the plan of salvation the same whether corperately or individually? Is it not true that individauls whom God also foreknows, predestined, and called to salvation by the grace of God? Concerning Robert Shank; I have read his book "Life in the Son" but have not as yet got around to reading his other book "Elect in the Son" although it is on my list of books I intend to read in the future. At the moment I have been engrossed in Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible. Grace Peace and Love New Creature |
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3 | predestined? | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 75135 | ||
Greetings New Creature! I read Shank's books in reverse order, so I started with 'Elect in the Son'. :-) I personally thought 'Elect in the Son' was better than 'Life in the Son', though both were good. Concerning two plans, I would say that there is only one plan for both. I think that this was Paul's point in Rom. 9-11. What he argues though is that Israel is not just made up of those who are born Israelites, but is made up of all those who believe. Thus, Rom. 8:29, while referring to Israel, is redefined in Rom. 9-11 to include all who believe. Thus, Shank argues (and I agree) that election is corporate and conditional, rather than individual and unconditional. Well, I have to run! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | predestined? | John 3:16 | New Creature | 75152 | ||
Tim Thank you again for your reply. If I believe that election is conditional to "whosoever believeth" (which I do). Then would that not mean that election is also individual to all the "whosoevers?" I mentioned that I am presently engrossed in Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible. I am currently wading my way through Romans Chapter 8 of this commentary. As soon as I get to chapters 9-11 I will see if Adam Clarke sheds any light on the topic of "election" I guess I will also have to get a copy of "Elect in the Son" Grace Peace and Love New Creature |
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5 | predestined? | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 75153 | ||
Greetings New Creature! This is a long topic, but I'll give my short answer. If I say to those in my Sunday Morning congregation, "It is good to see those whom God loves gathered here this morning", am I then saying that only those gathered in that particular congregation are loved by God and no one else? Of course not, I am simply describing those to whom I am speaking. In the same way, there isn't any verse in Scripture which limits election to only certain individuals. Rather, those to whom Paul is writing (i.e. Christians) are described as elect and chosen by God. I take the position, as does Shank, that the spiritual Israel is elect in Christ and that individuals are only elect in Him. So, when someone responds in faith to the grace of God, they become one of the 'elect'. Check out the book when you get a chance and let me know what you think! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | predestined? | John 3:16 | New Creature | 75155 | ||
Tim Thank you very much for taking time out of your busy schedule to reply. I will get back with you after I have done an more in-depth study of this topic. You have been a great help Grace Peace and Love New Creature |
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