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1 | predestined? | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 75151 | ||
Greetings Joe! There isn't an explicit direct object mentioned in Rom. 8:29. The pronoun 'those' doesn't even have a clear antecedent. If one goes back to the beginning of the list in Rom. 8:28, one could make the case that 'those' refers to 'those who love God'. Or, the other option I have previously mentioned is that 'those He foreknew' may be a title for Israel. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | predestined? | John 3:16 | Reformer Joe | 75156 | ||
"There isn't an explicit direct object mentioned in Rom. 8:29. The pronoun 'those' doesn't even have a clear antecedent." I would agree that it doesn't have an explicit antecedent, but the context, I think, makes it unlikely that Romans 8:29 refers to Israel. For example: "What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?" --Romans 8:31-32 Since the "we" in these verses includes (at a minimum) Paul and the Gentile Roman church, and the verses quoted call for a response to the previous verses, it would seem that foreknowing, predestining, etc., has everything to do with both the redeemed among the Jews and those among the Gentiles. Otherwise, why would the Gentile Christians be called to such assurance and joy because the descendents of Jacob were foreknown? --Joe! |
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3 | predestined? | John 3:16 | Morant61 | 75160 | ||
Greetings Joe! I just propose this line of thought as a way of looking at these verses from a different perspective. But, to address your points: 1) If indeed 'those whom He foreknew' functions as a title, then it would influence the context of the remainder of Rom. 8. We do know that by Rom. 9, the question of Israel is on his mind. Further, I contend that it has been on his mind from the very beginning of Rom. (1:16). So, it isn't really forcing anything in the context. 2) The 'we's' of Romans 8:28 could very well be understood as Paul and all Israelites, since Paul was an Israelites. 3) However, I would agree that what is said here does apply to all believers, since Paul goes on to explain that "Israel" is more than just the nation of Israel, but all those who believe. So, I don't think that seeing 'those whom He foreknew' as a title for Israel really changes the meaning of the passage, it simply clarifies the context in such a way that Rom. 9-11 isn't a break in the thought of Romans 1-8, but a continuation of it. 4) The joy and assurance would be the result of the fact that spiritual Israel is foreknown. If I respond to the Gospel in faith, then I too am foreknown, since I am now a part of spiritual Israel. Just soemthing to think about! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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