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1 | Who is the son of man which is in heaven | John 3:11 | Brent Douglass | 144642 | ||
Thanks for the input, Ray, but I wouldn't capitalize "one" in this case. Since I used "one" to replace the phrase "human being," it shouldn't be capitalized. Jesus is the only human being who was an eyewitness of heaven. (It's a fairly small point, but I think that is carrying capitalization a little too far.) Jesus' divinity -- as God the Son -- is eternal. While His humanity is not eternal, having begun at the incarnation, it is nevertheless everlasting from that time forward. I think I follow what you're saying in that "God is not a son of man," and that Jesus "was not a human being in heaven." No, "God the Son" was not a human being before He first came to the earth. However, He is certainly a "son of man" now. "Son of Man" was Jesus' favorite Old Testament Messianic term for Himself. Christ will be a human being forever -- in a resurrected body as the "first-born" human being from the dead. God the Son is now, and always will be going forward, a human being in heaven. He will always be fully God and fully man. In Christ's love, Brent |
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2 | Who is the son of man which is in heaven | John 3:11 | Ray | 144644 | ||
Hi Brent, I hope to change your thinking on this because you have some inconsistencies in your post. In your first paragraph you said that "Jesus is the only human being who was an eyewitness of heaven." However, in the second paragraph you were agreeing with me that "God the Son was not a human being before He first came to the earth." I would hope that you will again agree that the God the Son was not a human being in heaven. 1) In your first paragraph you said that you used "one" to replace the phrase "human being". However, if you look at it again you will find that you were talking about the Son of Man, the One who descended from heaven. 2) I hope that you will reconsider your statement in your third paragraph where you write, "However, He is certainly a "son of man" now." First of all, if that is how you look at Jesus now, then you should have written, "However, he is certainly a "son of man" now." I hope that you will consider again that God is not a son of man. Why would Jesus go back to glory as a human being? He was being worshiped by His disciples and being watched ascending into heaven as the Son of Man and as God Himself. 3) In your last paragraph you write that "Christ will be a human being forever..." I have asked many times while on this forum, "Why do we have to see Jesus as a man?" I believe that Jesus was fully God and fully Man. He was a type of Adam who was called "Man". Jesus is the second Adam and He came as a Man. We can look together at some of the "first-born" passages of Scripture if you would like. From the heart, Ray |
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3 | Who is the son of man which is in heaven | John 3:11 | CDBJ | 144647 | ||
Hi Ray, Since we are splitting hairs, could you come up with biblical proof that Jesus was the, “second Adam”; I can’t find that in my Bible? CDBJ |
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4 | Who is the son of man which is in heaven | John 3:11 | cb2859 | 144648 | ||
I'm not Ray, but here is what you asked for concerning Christ as the second (last!) Adam. -Chris 1 Corinthians 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. Also see Romans 5:14 |
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5 | Who is the son of man which is in heaven | John 3:11 | CDBJ | 144679 | ||
Ah, I am glad you said “last Adam”, and of this verse I am well aware. Jesus “isn’t” referred to as the second Adam but the Last, and I concur; there is a difference! He is called the second man, but the last Adam. 1 Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. I was just pulling Ray’s chain a little bit since he was being so exact with what another member said on a post; I’m sure he will get my drift because he is pretty much on top of things and he knows his Bible. Thanks for the response, CDBJ |
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6 | Who is the son of man which is in heaven | John 3:11 | Ray | 144684 | ||
Hi CDBJ, I was being exact with what Brent was saying because he is expecting to see a "man" in heaven. The 1 Corinthian 15 passage speaks of the heavenly Man, even the Lord from heaven. See the NKJ. The passage says that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. We must be changed into the image of this heavenly Man. 1) I go with the NKJ for 1 Corinthians 15:47 where it reads, "The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven." So there is no difference between the second Man and the last Adam. From the heart, Ray |
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7 | Who is the son of man which is in heaven | John 3:11 | CDBJ | 144707 | ||
Hello Ray, Are you suggesting that Jesus, since His resurrection, does not have flesh with his glorified body? In your post you stated, “So there is no difference between the second Man and the last Adam.” The difference is, the KJV Bible I’m reading doesn’t say, second Adam; it says last Adam and there isn’t going to be any more, as a third a fourth or a fifth, Christ is the last. Is that right or wrong, or am I mistaken? CDBJ |
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