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1 | John 1:18 "only begotten God". | John 1:18 | sisterkath | 76606 | ||
Hi Truthfinder, Not only the verse John 1:18 in the NIV, sounds bad, but so does the understanding of it. They say: God the One and Only. An explicit declaration of Christ's deity, see vv. 1:14 and notes; 3:16, has made him known. Sometimes in the OT people are said to have seen God, Ex 24:9-11. But we are also told that no one can see God and live, Ex 32:20. Therefore, since no human being can see God as he really is, those who saw God saw him in a form he took on himself temporarily for the occasion. Now, however, Christ has made him known. I'm glad you pointed this out, for my way of thinking is not this. I don't really think, those who saw God, saw him in a form he took on himself temporarily. What are your views on that statement? Why would God Jehovah have to take on a different form, when he had Jesus, his Son on earth? This here doesn't make any kind of sense to me!! |
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2 | John 1:18 "only begotten God". | John 1:18 | Morant61 | 76627 | ||
Greetings Sisterkath! My friend, it only 'sounds bad', because you have bought into the lies of the so called Jehovah's Witnesses. The same 'witnesses' who reject the truth that Jehovah Himself gave to His witnesses in Is. 43:10, that there is only ONE GOD. Those who follow these false teachings will forever be trying to explain away those verses which: 1) Describe Jesus as God, when Scripture says that there is only one God (Deut. 32:39, 2 Sam. 7:22, 2 Kings 5:15, 1 Chron. 17:20, 2 Chron. 6:14, Is. 43:10, Is. 44:6, Is. 45:5, Is. 45:21,and 1 Cor. 8:4) How many verses does it take to get you to acknowledge that there is no 'other god' besides Jehovah? 2) Describe Jesus as Savior, when Scripture says that there is no Savior besides Jehovah (Is. 43:11 and Hosea 13:4). 3) Describe Jesus as Creator, when Scripture says that Jehovah created all things (Gen. 1:1). How do you reconcile these statements my friend? Or, do you just ignore them because they don't agree with the teachings of the JW's? Gen. 1:1 is clear that Jehovah created the Heavens and the Earth, and all that is in them. Yet, John 1:3 says that all things were created by Jesus. The same thought is expressed in Col. 1:16. Can't you see my friend that the teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses forces you to ignore clear statements of Scripture and twist them to mean something else in order to support their false teachings? I stress this so much with you my friend, because you yourself said that you were not a baptized JW. There is still a chance that you can acknowledge what Scripture says about Jesus. John 8:24 makes it clear that if you do not accept that He is the "I AM", you will die in your sins. Scripture is also clear that there is salvation in no one else. The Gospel is quite simple, but profoundly beautiful. We were all lost in sin, because of our disobedience to God. We all deserved the death penalty for our sins. Yet, God Himself paid the price for our sins on the cross. Now, we don't have to do anything to earn His love or forgiveness. We only need to accept the free offer of the gift of salvation. If we do, then we have eternal life and an eternal inheritence awaiting us in Heaven. Compare this to the false teachings of the Jehovah's Witness, who neither recognize: The Deity of Christ, salvation by grace, or hope of heaven. There is a reason why every single cult denies the identify of Christ. It is because His identify is essential to your salvation. If they can lead you astray on that point alone, then they can keep you from the salvation that Scripture offers. Please consider this carefully before it is too late my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | John 1:18 "only begotten God". | John 1:18 | sisterkath | 76908 | ||
Hi Tim, I don't feel that Jehovah Witnesses are a cult. Matter of fact, I feel they are the only true religion on earth today. You see my friend, you believe, Jesus is Jehovah and I have shown you scriptures from "The Bible" and you totally disregrad them. Jesus called God "the only true God" John 17:3. Never did he refer to God as a deity of plural persons. No where in the Bible do you see anyone elso called, "Almighty", except Jehovah. Neither Jesus not the holy spirit is ever called that, for Jehovah alone is supereme. At Genesis 17:1 he declares: "I am God Almighty." And Exodus 18:11 says, "Jehovah is greater than all the other gods. When God sent Jesus to earth as the ransom, he made Jesus to be what would satisfy justice, not an incarnation, not a god-man, but a perfect man, "lower than the angels." heb 2:9, compare Ps 8:5,6. How could any part of an almighty Godhead, Father, Son, Holy Spitit, ever be lower than angels? The Bible calls Jesus the "only begotten Son" of God. John 1:14, 3:16,18; 1 John 4:9. Trinitarians say that since God is eternal, so the Son of God is eternal. But how can a person be a Son and at the same time be as old as his Father? Jesus never claimed to be God. Everything he said about himself indicates that he did not consider himself equal to God in anyway, not in power, not in knowledge, not in age. In every period of his existence, whether in heaven or on earth, his speech and conduct reflect subordination to God. God is always the Superior, Jesus the lesser one who was created by God. At John 20:17, "Jesus said to Mary Magdalene, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. RS, Catholic Edition, At 2 Cor. 1:3 the apostle Paul comfirms this relationship. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Since Jesus had a God, his Father, he could not at the same time be that God. Paul also stated at 1Cor. 8:6, JB. "For us there is one God, the Father and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. Mark 10:18, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." So Jesus is saying that no one is as good as God is, not even Jesus himself. I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of HIM that sent me. John 6:38. What I teach is not mine, but belongs to HIM that sent me. John 7:16. Is not the sender superior to the one sent? When Jesus was baptized, God's voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Matt. 3:16,17. Was God saying that he was his own son, that he approved himself, that he sent himself? God is superior for he anointed Jesus, giving him authority that he did not previously have. Mat. 20:23. A mother of two disciples asked that her sons sit one at the right and one at the left of Jesus when he came into his Kingdom. Jesus answered, "YOU will indeed drink my cup, but this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father." Had Jesus been Almighty God, those positions would haave been his to give. But Jesus could not give them, for they were God's to give, and Jesus was not God. At Hebrews 5:8, we read that Jesus "learned obedience from the things he suffered." God did not have to learn anything. But Jesus did, he didn't know everything God knew. And he had to learn, obedience. God never has to obey anyone. The difference between what God knows and what Christ knows also existed when Jesus was resurrected to heaven to be with God. Note the first words of the last book of the Bible. "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him." Rev 1:1 RS, Catholic Edition. If Jesus himself were part of a Godhead, would he have to be given a revelation by another part of the Godhead, GOD? Of course he would have known all about it, GOD knew. But Jesus did not know for he was not God. I refer everyone on the board to, http://www.watchtower.org/ |
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4 | John 1:18 "only begotten God". | John 1:18 | Morant61 | 76917 | ||
Greetings Sisterkath! Well, I tried to show you the truth about Jesus. Yet, you can't even begin to acknowledge the truth about Jesus if you won't even accept the clear statement of Jehovah that there are no other gods but Him (Is. 43:10) and others. Nothing you mentioned in your posts rules out Jesus being part of the Godhead. As I've already explained, during the incarnation, Jesus became a man. As a man, He was subject to His father, born, limited in space and time, ect.... However, John 1:1 (and other verses) indicates that this was not His eternal nature. In His eternal nature, He was God, Savior, and Creator. You never did answer me my friend how Jesus could be described as God, Savior, and Creator, when Jehovah Himself said that there is: No other god, no other Savior, and that He created all things. So, you can accept Jehovah's statements as true, or you can accept the false teachings of the so-called Jehovah's Witnesses. But, both cannot be true! Unfortunately, it sounds like you have totally bought into the lies of the JW's and have called Jehovah a lier. :-( Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | John 1:18 "only begotten God". | John 1:18 | sisterkath | 76934 | ||
Hi Tim, I tryed to show you that Jesus was not Almighty Jehovah. Teach me, so I can learn. How do you see Isaiah 43:10? You tell me and I will listen. |
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6 | John 1:18 "only begotten God". | John 1:18 | Morant61 | 76937 | ||
Greetings Sisterkath! I pray that you really are willing to hear! The JW's use a lot of word twisting and half-truths to confuse the issue. One of their tricks is to create a false distinction between 'mighty God' and 'almighty God'. This distinction simply is not real. Are we in agreement that there is only one Jehovah? Is. 9:6 calls Jesus the 'Mighty God'. Yet, Jer. 32:18 also calls Jehovah the 'Mighty God'. The same exact phrase is used in both verses. Allow me to show you how this distinction between these two words is false. There are many titles and descriptions used to describe God. However, not every verses uses every one of them. We are in agreement that Jehovah is the Almighty God, but Jer. 32:18 does not call Jehovah the 'Almighty God'. It only calls Him 'Mighty God'. Does this mean that there are two Jehovahs? One who is 'Almighty God' and one who is 'Mighty God'? Not even every verse which speaks of Jehovah calls Him Jehovah, but we know that He is Jehovah. As far as Is. 43:10, I have already explained several times. Jehovah Himself says that there are no other 'gods' besides Him. Therefore, Jesus, in John 1:1, cannot be 'a god' or 'another god'. He must be Jehovah God. This is why He refers to Himself as the "I AM" in John 8:58. This is why He says that one must believe that He is the "I AM" in order to be saved from their sins (John 8:24). This is also why the JW's are a cult. They deny that Jesus is the "I AM" of John 8:24 and 8:58. It is essential that you pray about this and think for yourself. Is. 43:10 does not say that there is only one 'Almighy God' and many lesser gods. It says that there are no other gods, period. The JW's have made Jehovah out to be a liar because they have rejected Jesus. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | John 1:18 "only begotten God". | John 1:18 | sisterkath | 76954 | ||
Tim, Yes, we are in agreement that there is only one God, Jehovah. At Isaiah 43:10, The King James Version, New American Standard and New International; all have capital letters for LORD, but Amplified has little letters for Lord. Why is this, if I may ask? I have reseach ahead of me. And I will get back to you. Thank-you for your reply. sisterkath |
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8 | John 1:18 "only begotten God". | John 1:18 | Morant61 | 76973 | ||
Greetings Sisterkath! I believe the difference with the Amplified is because it does not captalize all references to YWHW as does many of the other translations. Have a great day! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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