Results 1 - 4 of 4
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | DocTrinsograce | 211605 | ||
Hi, MJH... I never trust a ministry that won't be forthright enough to provide a statement of faith. Sorry, as a Jew... I know too many Jews! Nice bunch of syncretism on their website, though! In Him, Doc PS Better: ...so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a BETTER covenant. (Hebrews 7:22 NASB) But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a BETTER covenant, which has been enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:6 NASB) So we have the prophetic word made MORE SURE, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. (2 Peter 1:19 NASB) Note: My emphasis. |
||||||
2 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211632 | ||
Doc, Tim Hegg is anything but evasive. Quite the contrary, he's very up front with what he believes and he has written a lot. No closet faith statement there :-) Anyway, we've been down this road before, but I just can't seem to let it go. Hey, I'm Dutch, it goes with the territory. Of course when you quote Scripture, I am only going to agree whole heartedly. You might even add the word MUCH before better. It is after all a MUCH better covenant! You are most certainly aware that the New Covenant is spelled out in Jeremiah. And while there are other promises which are apart of this covenant, the main one we speak of generally is the Law written on the heart. Paul speaks about it a lot. When the Spirit writes the Torah on the heart, you’re a member of the family of God, a part of the covenant assembly and assured a place in the World to Come. The Old Covenant is the Law still written on stone. Same law, different place. When something is external and not a part of you, it is simply rules and regulations. I’m guessing you’ve seen it in the churches. Members who attend, but they simply go through the motions of faith, but it isn’t there on their hearts. To them, these Christian things are simply rules to follow. Do the right things and say the right words and you’ll look spiritual. But looks are deceiving. The more you know them, the more you realize they are simply “playing by the rules.” My wife was really into the “Christian” thing. Now she is really struggling with faith. I can’t count the number of times I hear her say to me, “Oh, that’s one of those “rules” you Christians have to follow.” (This doesn’t have anything to do with Torah.) We’ve been in traditional Christian churches since we married over 12 years ago. Her beef is with these good churches. And they really are good churches despite their flaws. But right now all she sees are the flaws because she was taught the “rules.” Pray this much at these times. Read the Bible this much and volunteer that often. Smile and never admit problems or struggles, because we are Christians and we are all just fine. Oh, and those people are going to Hell to burn forever, aren’t we so much better than them.” You get the drift. The point is, even so called Christians can fail to have the Law written on their heart; love, joy, peace, etc… (My wife is struggling, but I see it as a good struggle, because on the other side is genuine faith…which see has, but when things don’t happen the way people have taught you they would, it tends to shatter false beliefs and that is always painful. God is patient.) ...so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a BETTER covenant. (Hebrews 7:22 NASB) This section of Hebrews if so fascinating when you understand why the priest needed to do what they did. and how drawing near to God in the Tabernacle occurred when God dwelt among the Israelites in the wilderness. I have absolutely fallen in love with this book. I’ve spent several months studying this book and Leviticus this past season, and find it to be truly a marvel. I’d love more than ever to teach it, but I don’t have the mastery of it quite yet. Thanks for your faithfulness to this forum. You have a gift. It would drive me nuts! MJH PS – I’m wondering why you’re opposed to following the Law. What about it is bad to do? |
||||||
3 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | BradK | 211636 | ||
Hello MJH, Here's my 3 biblically-based reasons for not following the law: 1. Rom. 8:3-4, "For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." (NASB) 2. Gal 2:16- , "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified" (NASB) 3. Phil 3:9- ,"and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith," (NASB) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
||||||
4 | Gospels are OT books? | John 1:1 | MJH | 211660 | ||
Thanks for the reply BradK, I agree 100 percent with your post. Of course, that is easy when it is Scripture. :-) 1. Rom. 8:3-4, "For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son . . ., so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." (NASB) ---- this Text makes my original post's point very well. The Law was weak "in the flesh." We WALK, not according to the flesh, but the Spirit." Jeremiah 31:32-33: "...not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law [Torah in Hebrew] within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people." (ESV) We have the Law written on the heart through the Spirit. God writes it there. We therefore walk according to God’s ways by His strength. The walk is the same walk as Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Samuel, David, Jesus (though he did it perfectly), Peter, Paul, and many many others, yourself included. Even Enoch, Noah, and Abraham walk with God according to the same Torah that wasn’t even given in its fullest yet. Even Moses walked according to it even though for him it wasn’t fully revealed until Messiah. But they all, and we all, see the Messiah who is the goal to which it all points, and therefore since we love him, we obey his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome (Matt 11:30; Deut 30:11) 2. Gal 2:16- , "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified" (NASB) --- This one is obvious regardless of how you interpret the phrase “works or the Law.” We are justified by faith. But does that mean we live like hell? I, in these posts, am not speaking of how one is saved and how one enters the Kingdom of God, but rather, how one lives within that Kingdom. There is only one Law. You already follow the vast majority of it. Jesus came to shed his blood for a new covenant, not a new Law. --- But since you mention “works of the Law”. There is a wonderful find in the Dead Sea scrolls that sheds a lot of light on this phrase. The gentiles were not “justified” (brought into the covenant people and in right relationship with God) by following some “works of the Law.” But gentiles (or Jews) also were not justified by following the Law. It’s the same faith of Abraham that justifies. Paul mentions Abraham’s faith coming before circumcision because circumcision was the means (among 2-3 other things) for a gentile to enter the covenant family according to the teachings of the Jews in that day. But Abraham’s faith also came before the Law which was given at Mt Sinai. So our teaching that faith is apart form the Law is absolutely spot on. 3. Phil 3:9- Dito above. I appreciate the dialogue. MJH |
||||||