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1 | Is prophecy dead? | Matt 11:13 | charis | 1560 | ||
It has been put to me that this scripture says that there is no longer prophecy in the church today. However, Jesus prophesied after John, and Paul speaks of prophets in the present-tense from a prison in Rome in AD 62 or 63. John gave us the book of Revelation. If prophecy is dead, when did it die? In Christ Jesus. | ||||||
2 | Is prophecy dead? | Matt 11:13 | whyndell | 1639 | ||
It depends on what you mean by "prophesy" if it is a word that is to be taken as verbally from God- therefore the contents of those words are to be adhered to as we do Scripture- you are going to be hard pressed to prove your position from the Word of God. By the way John was an Apostle, chosen by the Lord to write Scripture, so your first defense falls, because 99 percent of the miracles and prophesy in the NT is by an apostle. Though normative for them in the office, does not mean normative for the church, or later generations. Like all adherents to the "so called" charismatic movement they have no Scriptual basis for how they operate their gifts, sense no clear definition or declaration is given as to how each and everyone was performed by the individual. The case of the modern "false tongues", every and I mean every indication in the NT is these were "earthly languages", never babbling unintelligble noise, yet every gift of so-called tongues today is nithing but gibberish. Speaking from experience since I have heard probably 6 to 7,000 people speak them, and not all at once, including myself who through the grace of God was delivered from the false holy ghost revival. As to heavenly pray language well it does not exsist and never did- 1 cor 12:7, Paul clearly states these gifts were for the "common" good never to build oneself up spiritually or communicate with God on a private level. The modern Cahrismatic movement, the Third Wave, etc, are "mysticism" in christian "sheep colthing". I do not mean to be so blunt- but thats the facts. Do I believe God speaks to His people - most assuredly- in the Word, in response to our prayers, and yes I have seen people raised from sickness to health, with the aid of doctors and without- though the Lord is working in both situations. But I have also seen loved ones slip into eternity- even with our prayers- but even there He works miracles in our minds and heart. So yes our God is a God of miracles- but no the stuff I hear come from those who have fallen into the false "holy spirit" that started approx. 35 years ago. Standing for our Saviour Jesus Christ, who by the Eternal Spirit has redeemed us. Whyndell |
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3 | Is prophecy dead? Since when? | Matt 11:13 | charis | 1683 | ||
Dear Whyndell, (PROPHET.) "One who is divinely inspired to communicate God's will to His people and to disclose the future to them." (New Unger's Bible Dictionary) I am sorry, I did not make part of my question clear. The scripture from Matthew 11 is talking about John the Baptist. Some use this as a proof that prophets and prophecy were invalidated after John (the Baptist) died. My point was that AFTER John (the Baptist) died, Jesus continued to prophesy, John (the apostle) continued to prophecy, Paul spoke of prophecy in the present tense, and "Judas and Silas, also being prophets themselves, encouraged and strengthened the brethren with a lengthy message." Acts 15:32 NASB. If prophecy is dead, when did it die? It seems that you have a problem with those who believe in the present-day validity of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Or , more correctly, certain gifts. It also seems that your judgment is based on the abuse you have seen. This is flawed logic. "I have not met a balanced Charismatic, so there are no balanced Charismatics." By the way, I am not Charismatic. Period. I am not Pentecostal, either. Your 'facts' are bigotry. Also, the first widely documented restoration of the gifts of the Holy Spirit was in Wales over 100 years ago. Soon after, the Pentecostal movement started in the United States. Please answer the question using scripture, not sentiment. Blessings in Christ Jesus. |
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4 | Is prophecy dead? Since when? | Matt 11:13 | RCSCROLL | 1737 | ||
Charis why would you refer to 100 years ago,and of nessesity call it the (restoration ) .restoration of what if the prophets and apostles never left??? by the way you never showed me that there was more than twelve apostles I just think its time you get in and find things out for yourself, rather than bying into some one elses teaching, including mine I can prove everything I say with scripture if you cant use what you call deductive reasoning properly Im sorry. How about a scripture that says that there will be new super apostle and prophets in the last days.You see the bible teachs that there will be a great falling away not a great restoration.love in CHRIST RCscroll | ||||||
5 | Part 1 Apologetics? | Matt 11:13 | charis | 1755 | ||
Part 1 Dear RCSCROLL, you seem intent on 'painting me with the same brush' as those who have hurt you in the past. (Important NOTE! I was re-reading my note, and saw my own PC-name, 'charis.' That's why, isn't it? You are equating this name with Charismatic. LOL! FYI, I use this name because it means 'grace,' NOT Charismatic.) Your bitterness toward anyone who believes in the present-day gifts and ministries of the Holy Spirit is apparent. Just because there are a lot of rotten 'ministries' out there, does not give you the righteousness to deny categorically all 'Spirit-filled' Christians, millions of whom serve the Lord with the same faith as was bestowed upon you by grace. Even if we are proven wrong when we meet the Lord, the judgment you proclaim is not in your hands, but God's. We desire earnestly to obey "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."John 4:24 NASB. My use of the word 'restoration' is to that though many gifts were lost to the church through the ages, God desires to restore them. "And it will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions." Joel 2:28 NASB. Joel chapter 2 is a hope of strength from the Lord to prepare us for the last days, to prepare for His glorious return. 100 years ago refers to the Welsh Revival, soon followed by the Pentecostal Movement in America. These preceded the 'Charismatics' by 60 years. BTW, I am not talking about a 'super-apostle or super-prophet.' Below is an edited version of what I wrote before: Apostles impossible? Thu 03/22/01, 5:53am. Perhaps you misplaced it. My dear friend in Christ, I read with great interest your reply. I must respectfully disagree with some of the premises of your opinions on this issue. It seems that you start with the idea that we do not have apostles today, then move on to prove it. Regarding Ephesians 2:20, I agree, these ministries are the foundation Christ laid. I do not propose to re-lay, but to continue on in this foundational gift. In regard to 1 Corinthians 13:8-12, you imply that the 'perfect' has come, thus doing away with the need for spiritual gifts. Jesus is the 'Perfect' spiritual gift, and He has not yet returned. I cannot believe that you say the divided church as we know it is not in need of as many gifts of the Spirit as are made available. We NEED them, now! Unfortunately, many 'ministries' have made a mockery of these gifts, with their misuse, abuse, and just plain false use of them. These miscreants are no excuse for you to deny the Spirit, just encouragement to find their proper use. Part 2 will explain some more. In Christ Jesus. |
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6 | Part 1 Apologetics? | Matt 11:13 | RCSCROLL | 1823 | ||
Charis I dont know of anytime that charismatics have hurt me or for that matter pentacostals , I have never even been to a church like that. There was someone else who wrote and said that however it surely wasnt me. Catagorically all I have been trying to say is that we do not have apostles or prophets in the same meaning we had at the foundation of the church.We must be aware of anyone claiming to do so.Or prove them a 100 percent correct a 100 percent of the time.I am a spirit filled Christian and do believe in the gifts otherwise I would be denieing he who lives in me. Remember that the day of pentacost was fullfilled, fully come.I suggest that you investigate the welch revival for yourself and ask your self if it alighnes with scripture.I dont in anycase believe that the perfect one has come 1 cor13:8-12 .The foundation is complete,you cant continue to lay it. I dont deny the Spirit I love him. we are the work the building if you will , not the foundation. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Eph 2:21-22 (KJV) love in Christ your brother RCScroll |
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7 | Part 1 Apologetics? | Matt 11:13 | Ray | 1824 | ||
Dear tree members, Jn. 4:24 KJV, "God is a Spirit; and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." I believe that God is spirit; and they that worship Him must worhip Him in spirit and in truth." (Notice the three pronouns). Jn.4:24 NASB " God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth".(Only two pronouns). I think we can compare this scripture with Gen 1:26 "Then (God) said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness."(Notice the three of Us pronouns). Jn4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be (His) worshippers." What do you think? (He) will declare all things to us? RCScroll, I think that you can be spirit-filled and not deny "He who lives in me" as you wrote. Continue to love the one Spirit. I want to write a question for you guys to answer. Later, Ray |
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