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Part 1 Dear RCSCROLL, you seem intent on 'painting me with the same brush' as those who have hurt you in the past. (Important NOTE! I was re-reading my note, and saw my own PC-name, 'charis.' That's why, isn't it? You are equating this name with Charismatic. LOL! FYI, I use this name because it means 'grace,' NOT Charismatic.) Your bitterness toward anyone who believes in the present-day gifts and ministries of the Holy Spirit is apparent. Just because there are a lot of rotten 'ministries' out there, does not give you the righteousness to deny categorically all 'Spirit-filled' Christians, millions of whom serve the Lord with the same faith as was bestowed upon you by grace. Even if we are proven wrong when we meet the Lord, the judgment you proclaim is not in your hands, but God's. We desire earnestly to obey "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."John 4:24 NASB. My use of the word 'restoration' is to that though many gifts were lost to the church through the ages, God desires to restore them. "And it will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions." Joel 2:28 NASB. Joel chapter 2 is a hope of strength from the Lord to prepare us for the last days, to prepare for His glorious return. 100 years ago refers to the Welsh Revival, soon followed by the Pentecostal Movement in America. These preceded the 'Charismatics' by 60 years. BTW, I am not talking about a 'super-apostle or super-prophet.' Below is an edited version of what I wrote before: Apostles impossible? Thu 03/22/01, 5:53am. Perhaps you misplaced it. My dear friend in Christ, I read with great interest your reply. I must respectfully disagree with some of the premises of your opinions on this issue. It seems that you start with the idea that we do not have apostles today, then move on to prove it. Regarding Ephesians 2:20, I agree, these ministries are the foundation Christ laid. I do not propose to re-lay, but to continue on in this foundational gift. In regard to 1 Corinthians 13:8-12, you imply that the 'perfect' has come, thus doing away with the need for spiritual gifts. Jesus is the 'Perfect' spiritual gift, and He has not yet returned. I cannot believe that you say the divided church as we know it is not in need of as many gifts of the Spirit as are made available. We NEED them, now! Unfortunately, many 'ministries' have made a mockery of these gifts, with their misuse, abuse, and just plain false use of them. These miscreants are no excuse for you to deny the Spirit, just encouragement to find their proper use. Part 2 will explain some more. In Christ Jesus. |
Bible Answer: Charis I dont know of anytime that charismatics have hurt me or for that matter pentacostals , I have never even been to a church like that. There was someone else who wrote and said that however it surely wasnt me. Catagorically all I have been trying to say is that we do not have apostles or prophets in the same meaning we had at the foundation of the church.We must be aware of anyone claiming to do so.Or prove them a 100 percent correct a 100 percent of the time.I am a spirit filled Christian and do believe in the gifts otherwise I would be denieing he who lives in me. Remember that the day of pentacost was fullfilled, fully come.I suggest that you investigate the welch revival for yourself and ask your self if it alighnes with scripture.I dont in anycase believe that the perfect one has come 1 cor13:8-12 .The foundation is complete,you cant continue to lay it. I dont deny the Spirit I love him. we are the work the building if you will , not the foundation. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Eph 2:21-22 (KJV) love in Christ your brother RCScroll |