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1 | Did OT saints go to heaven? | Dan 12:2 | LIVERIGHT | 102769 | ||
I have three questions: 1. Where did the OT saints go when they died? 2. Who will be at the Millenium - all the saints or just those who go through the tribulation? 3. When sinners die now, do they go straight to hell? Thanks! |
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2 | Did OT saints go to heaven? | Dan 12:2 | khuck | 102794 | ||
I did not answer #2. Who will be at the Millenium. But this is my understanding and belief. The Word says that those who came through the tribulation who were martyrs and those who did not except the mark of the beast. (those who had not been raptured) The Church (those who have died in Christ and those remain alive) will have been caught up to meet Him in the air before the tribulation. Therefore all of the saints will live under the reign of the Lord during the Millenium. Rev 20 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. There are many beliefs on this passage, but I have given you mine here. - khuck |
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3 | Did OT saints go to heaven? | Dan 12:2 | CDBJ | 102800 | ||
Hi Khuck, From what you are saying do you believe that the tribulation is the time of the wrath of God, and if so do you not believe the following? Philip. 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; 1 Thes. 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. 2 Thes. 1:5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: Could it be possible that the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan and not the wrath of God and believers will have to endure that period but they will be removed at some point during it and then God will pour His wrath on those that are left? 2 Thes. 1:5-9 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Notice when He will do this in the following verse! 2 Thes. 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. Have a great day, CDBJ |
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4 | Did OT saints go to heaven? | Dan 12:2 | khuck | 102822 | ||
Answer Part #1 First you ask if I believed the following... which I take to mean the verses that you quoted. (I belief every Word that proceeds from God's Mouth) I believe the final chapter of the Bible concerning end time events to come in order as John wrote them. I will show you in this 3 part answer why, I believe that the Church will be saved from the Great Tribulation. As far as satan's wrath vs. God's wrath question, I believe these signs after the scrolls, trumpets and golden bowls to be God's righteous judgements and wrath. Starting at Rev. Chapter 6 reading through to Chapter 20 notice that John relays the order in which things will happen by using the words, "And then I Saw..." also he numbers events (ie. 7 scrolls opened by the Lamb, 7 trumpets blown by 7 angels, and the bowls of God's wrath) An event happens after each thing is done, after each scroll is opened one by one... next as each trumpet is sounded one by one and then after the golden bowls of "GOD'S WRATH" are poured out. Rev 6 -The Lamb opens 6 of 7 scrolls Rev 7 -Before the 7th seal is opened these 2 events take place, 144,000 are sealed 1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. ---And next appearing before the throne are those who have washed the robes in the blood of the Lamb. (Justified and found faultless by no doing of their own, but by their acceptance of the Free gift of salvation and redemption through the blood sacrifice of the Lamb) "The Church is invited to the Wedding Supper as the Bride" 9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their ands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice: Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne,and to the Lamb."11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: "Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!" 13Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes--who are they, and where did they come from?" 14 I answered, "Sir, you know." 15 And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, "they are before the Throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat. 17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes." Rev 8-9 ---After the sealing of the 144,000 and the Church are securely before His throne, now the Lamb opens the seal of the 7th scroll. After about 30 minutes of silence the angels with the seven trumpets appear and one angel with a golden censer. Next the angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne. The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel's hand. Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake. Then natural disasters follow each of the first 6 trumpets sounded. To be continued in 2nd post. –khuck |
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5 | Did OT saints go to heaven? | Dan 12:2 | CDBJ | 102833 | ||
Greetings Khuck, What translation are you using that suggest that there are seven scrolls and not seven seals on one scroll? Rev. 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. All the translations that I have only mention one book or scroll, which comes to us from the Koine Greek, and it is the accusative, neuter, singular of the noun, BIBILON, and there are seven seals on the one book that must be broken before the contents of the book can be revealed. The contents of the book is the wrath of God and everything that takes place before the scroll is opened only leads up to God’s wrath, namely the seven seals, which are not the wrath of God but the wrath or vengeance of the devil and his man for the hour, the antichrist. Believers will not experience God’s wrath! There are believers in the tribulation period that can claim this same promise so why would the rapture have to occur before the tribulation, since it isn’t the wrath of God? 1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Gave a great day, CDBJ |
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6 | Did OT saints go to heaven? | Dan 12:2 | khuck | 102847 | ||
The NIV is the translation that I often most use, but I love King James the best! Of course on this forum I am using NIV. I am wrong and your are correct regarding 7 seals. AND might I add... I err in my posting of seven seals for seven scrolls. (Which is an important point) Yet I wrote all of that posting to actually say that I believe that the Body of Christ will be raptured after the sixth seal is opened (broken) and before the seventh. I apologize for the error in my post. Hopefully I did not throw anyone else off of the mark of my objective. I maintain that the great multitude of every nation standing before the throne is the Church. As for me I believe the Great Tribulation takes place after the breaking of the seventh seal... I personally believe the trials faced during the breaking of the 1st five seals are the times we now endure. Why would the Church face God's wrath when they are the righteous of God in Christ. Christ has already endured the penalty of their iniquities. I believe those who endure the plagues in the 7 bowls and those who lived through the tyranny of the anti-christ and beast, called upon the named of the Lord and gave Him His due glory after the rapture. Now I am not responding to say my belief that these are the order of the events, should be yours, I was just responding to a question posed to me, which was; "what do I believe?" And this is really what I believe. -khuck PS I will say that the original post has me totally engrossed in the study of the book of Revelation to the point of re-thinking one of the points that I made... and you have pushed me to search even moreso. Being that it has been quite sometime since I really gave it more than a compulsory reading over... I deem this to be a good thing. Thank you |
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7 | Did OT saints go to heaven? | Dan 12:2 | CDBJ | 102904 | ||
Greetings Khuck, If you are interested in eschatology you may want to check out the following. http://www.solagroup.org/ Have a great day, CDBJ |
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8 | Did OT saints go to heaven? | Dan 12:2 | khuck | 102918 | ||
ThanX CDBJ... I most definately will :) |
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