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1 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | Morant61 | 143155 | ||
Greetings Doc! As you may have noticed by now, I am not much for inferences - especially if the inference is being presented as truth! Just to touch upon the Amos verse very quickly, the verse did not say that God did not like their music. It said that He would listen. But, the passage also gives the reason for His refusal to listen - idolatry. So, the music wasn't the problem. They were the problem. Now, let's look at the verses you cite. 1) Exodus 32:15-20: I don't even see how you can infer from this passage that the 'music' was evil. :-( There isn't any value judgement made about the music in any way. It was the idolatry that was the problem. 2) Daniel 3:1-7 is the same situation as above. There is no value judgement stated or implied about the music. The problem was a king commanding that everyone had to bow down and worship and idol. 3) Is. 14:11: Again, this is why inferences are a problem. This passage lists all the things that we apart of the kings glory - his throne, his pomp, his music. It then states that all these have come to an end. Nowhere does it say that God disliked the music or that the music was evil. 4) The other passages definitely record that God responded in some way to worship, but none of them explictly state that God 'liked' the music. 5) 1 Sam. 16:11-14 records that Saul would feel better when David played, but nothing is said about the music's effect upon the evil spirit. 6) Finally, you wrote: "If some music pleases God and some music displeases Him, if some music edifies believers and some music does not, is it not incumbent on us to examine the use of music in our own lives, regardless the source? " This is the problem with inferences my friend! Scripture does not say that some music displeases God! You said it! :-) If Scripture said it, I would agree with you. Believe me, I hold myself to the same standard when it comes to Scripture. I can't tell you how many times I typed something, only to erase it, because Scripture didn't actually say it. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | DocTrinsograce | 143163 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, Lots of Biblically sound doctrines are based on inferences that are not explictly spelled out in scripture, but still necessarily follow. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | Morant61 | 143165 | ||
Greetings Doc! If someone told you that God wants all men to wear blue suits to church, and then cited a verse in the OT that said a priest's robe was blue, would you except the statement as Scriptural? I mean no disrespect my friend, but I'm not interested in inferences! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | DocTrinsograce | 143166 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, Let me give you a few, more legitimate inferences: If someone said don't muzzle the ox when it is trodding out the corn, would you infer that you should pay your pastors? If someone said to yield to Caesar what is Caesars would you not pay your taxes becaues Caesar is dead? Do you think you only have to go the extra mile when a Roman soldier is asking you to carry his kit? Would David's eating the temple bread justify gathering wheat to eat on Sabbath? Trinity. Inerrency. Age of accountability. Dispensationalism. Are any of these in your theology? They are all based on inferences. The Bible is rife with inferences. Inference is a necessary part of exegesis and was practiced by Christ and the Apostles. You even find it in the Law and prophets. A lack of interest in logic may narrow discussion, but it doesn't make it go away. In Him, Doc |
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5 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | Morant61 | 143174 | ||
Greetings Doc! Are these things really based upon inferences or direct statements? 1) Paying pastors: 1 Cor. 9:14 says, "In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel." This doesn't sound like an inference from me! 2) Taxes: The same principle applies as with Caesar! Get me a dollar bill! Whose picture and name is on it? ;-) Then render to Washington what is Washington's! :) 3) Mt. 5:41 doesn't mention a roman soldier! It simply says, 'If someone forces you to go one mile'. So, anytime someone forces you to go one mile, go two! No inference necessary! :-) 4) David and the wheat! Jesus uses this as a direct example! Where is the inference? 5) Trinity: This is clearly spelled out in Scripture! 6) Inerrency: This isn't much of an inference! God cannot lie. Scripture says that His word is perfect! God is all-knowing. So, how could it contain error? These are all principles that are clearly stated in Scripture. 7) Age of Accountability: This is probably the only belief you have listed that is really based upon inferences. 8) Dispensationalism: I am not a dispensationalist! ;-) You wrote: "A lack of interest in logic may narrow discussion, but it doesn't make it go away." I'm not talking about logic! I'm talking about groundless inferences! Moses broke the tablets while the Israelites were singing and worshipping an idol; therefore, God dislikes certain kinds of music! This is a groundless inference. So, not all inferences are logical! A logical inference would be: Adultery is wrong because Scripture says it is wrong. Therefore, adultery is not an acceptable way to worship! ;-) Just because someone draws an inference doesn't make it so! This is why I said I'm not interested in inferences. This forum is filled with false doctrines and silly teachings based upon someone's inferences. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | DocTrinsograce | 143176 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, American Heritage dictionary defines "inference" as "The act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true." You've used inferences to dismiss inferences. :-) I give up. Without logic discussion becomes impossible. Without epistemic justification there can be no meaning. In Him, Doc PS Yes... silly... but false would require logic. |
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7 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | Morant61 | 143179 | ||
Greetings Doc! In my previous post, I cleary stated that not all inferences are true. It is not logic that I have a problem with, but false inferences. Allow me to illustrate with a valid inference. Suppose someone cites a Scripture that says God is holy! Then someone cites a Scripture that says lying is unholy. One could properly infer from this that God cannot lie, even without a direct statement in Scripture (of course there are such statements). God cannot do something that is unholy and still be holy Himself. The conclusion above 'LOGICALLY' follows from the premises. However, it does not logically follow that because Moses heard singing while the Israelites were worshipping the idol that God does not like certain kinds of music! :-( This is a false and illogical inference! This is an example that you cited earlier to defend your position. Now, if you can show me how this is a logical inference, I would be happy to accept it! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | DocTrinsograce | 143193 | ||
Dear brother Tim, There is only a single one sided thing in the universe, and that is a rainbow. Or, at least, I had thought there was only a single thing. In my last post I wrote, "I give." Perhaps the vernacular was unclear. You win. I surrender. I admit defeat. While retaining your own rapier, you have deprived me of all devices of defense. Without logic -- or only emasculated logic -- there can be no debate. Without epistemic justification any further responses would be meaningless. Thank you for the opportunity to hear your opinions. In Him, Doc |
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9 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | Morant61 | 143199 | ||
Greetings Doc! My friend, in the future, you might actually considering responding to a poster's points rather than simply deflecting them with sarcasm! :-( Oh well, hopefully our interactions on other issues will be more fruitful. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | Does the Word say anything about music? | Is 5:20 | DocTrinsograce | 143201 | ||
Yes... ditto. | ||||||