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1 | lucifer | Is 14:12 | Makarios | 59076 | ||
Greetings Ron, (Isaiah) "14:12-14 fallen from heaven...be like the Most High. Jesus' use of v. 12 to describe Satan's fall (Luke 10:18; cf. Rev. 12:8-10) has led many to see more than a reference to the king of Babylon. Just as the Lord addressed Satan in His words to the serpent (Gen. 3:14,15), this inspired dirge speaks to the king of Babylon and to the devil who energized him. See Ezek. 28:12-17 for similar language to the king of Tyre and Satan behind him." (1) "14:12 star of the morning. Lit., the bright one. Evidently a reference to Satan embodied in the king of Babylon because of Christ's similar description (Luke 10:18) and because of the inappropriateness of the expressions of verses 13-14 on the lips of any but Satan (cf. 1 Tim. 3:6). weakened the nations. Cf. Rev. 20:3)." (2) Ron, would you like more? - Makarios (1) MacArthur Study Bible, 1997, Word Publishing, John MacArthur, Author and General Editor (2) Ryrie Study Bible, Expanded Edition, 1995, The Moody Bible Institute of Chicago, Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Th.D., Ph.D. |
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2 | lucifer | Is 14:12 | Ron | 59081 | ||
I think the problem is not understanding that Isaiah is using figurative language in verses 12-14. The king's falling from "the heavens" (LITV) indicates his fall from power. His desire to "raise my throne above the stars of God etc..." (LITV) indicates his arrogance. The simliar language used in the case of the king of Tyre would apply the same way. The fact that Jesus uses similiar language in reference to Satan in Luke 18 and Rev. 12 certainly does not mean that Isaiah and Ezekiel were speaking of Satan. Now if Jesus had quoted from Isa and Ezek and said "this is that spoken by the prophet" you could dogmatically teach that they were speaking of Satan. But Jesus did not say that. In fact, He just used similar language (in fact, figurative language) indicating Satan's power being limited by the disciples casting out demons (Luke 18). In Revelation 12, figurative language is also used. If verses 7-12 is not figurative language then why would anything else in the chapter be figurative language? For example, is "a woman having been clothed with the sun, and the moon underneath her feet etc..." (LITV) figurative or literal language? Is the "red dragon" in verse 3 with the 7 heads and 10 horns figurative or literal language? I believe all of those verses in Rev. 12 are figurative. Was Satan cast out of Heaven? Maybe. But the passages you cited do not prove it. Especially those in Isa and Ezek which are not talking about Satan at all. Will we ever agree on this? I doubt it :-] |
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3 | lucifer | Is 14:12 | Makarios | 59085 | ||
Greetings Ron, I appreciate your commentary on Isaiah 14:12 and Ezekiel 28.. And in all sincerity, we may never agree on just how to properly interpret these passages. But if they were speaking symbolically of Satan or if they were not, it still does not change the obvious facts of Satan (that he is the deceiver) and how we should react to him (James 4:7). Blessings to you, Makarios |
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