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1 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | EdB | 115561 | ||
ischus Either the Bible is the inspired word of God or it is not. I believe it is the inspired word. I also God commissioned men like Ezra and Nehemiah to accurately record what He inspired. Ezra and Nehemiah are telling the men of Israel they violated God's law and married pagans. Exodus 34:15-16 lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they play the harlot with their gods and make sacrifice to their gods, and one of them invites you and you eat of his sacrifice, [16] and you take of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters play the harlot with their gods and make your sons play the harlot with their gods. Marriage is covenant and you see in this passage God strictly forbids any covenant. Giving the reason that once they do they will start messing with pagan gods. It is not real hard to see. I gave you a lot of examples of what happened when the children of Israel disobeyed. I also gave you more passages where God forbids ANY covenant between Jew and Pagan. The evidence is overwhelming and way to conclusive for you to try to explain it away. If you want to believe differently fine but don’t insult our intelligence or the word of God by trying to convince us you right. EdB |
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2 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115564 | ||
EdB, ---"Either the Bible is the inspired word of God or it is not. I believe it is the inspired word." ***Amen, it is!!! What you fail to distinguish between is the "inspiration" of God and the "revelation" of God. All of scripture is inspired by God, yes, but not all is His revelation. The bible is full of texts that are not "thus says the Lord" texts. Ezra 9 is one of them. God inspired this to be in the bible exactly because Ezra's words were not his revelation. It was to teach this exact lesson of taking scripture out of context to make it say what you want it to, just like everyone is doing here. ---"Marriage is covenant and you see in this passage God strictly forbids any covenant. Giving the reason that once they do they will start messing with pagan gods. It is not real hard to see." ***What god did Jacob's wives worship? What god did David's wives worship? What god did Solomon's wives worship? Did God have a problem with these marriages? What nationality were the wives of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob's sons, Moses, David, Solomon....? Did God have a problem with these marriages? The answer is no. What he has a problem with is worshiping other gods, not believing in them. ***What is the first of the ten commandments? "Have no other gods before me." Why not say 'don't believe in other gods,' or 'don't worship other gods,' or 'don't associate with people who believe in other gods?' BECAUSE HE WAS FINE WITH THEM JUST HAVING HIM FIRST. HE DIDN'T EXPECT MONOTHEISM. HE DIDN'T LIKE IT, BUT HE DIDN'T EXPECT EVERYONE TO STOP BELIEVING IN OTHER GODS. HE KNEW THEY WOULD MESS UP; HE JUST WANTED THEM TO KEEP HIM FIRST. SOLOMON FAILED TO DO THIS. MANY PEOPLE DID NOT FAIL TO KEEP GOD FIRST. DO WE PUT OTHER THINGS BEFORE GOD???? YES. DOES GOD WANT THIS???? NO. BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS, HE WANTS US TO REFOCUS AND PUT HIM FIRST AGAIN. ---"If you want to believe differently fine but don’t insult our intelligence or the word of God by trying to convince us you right." ***Thank you for this comment. I just can't support something like divorce or racism, both of which clearly insult the word and nature of God. ischus |
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3 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | EdB | 115573 | ||
Ischus First let me apologize for my shortness. I never meant to be so dogmatic appearing. However I have stated over and over it was not a matter of racism. You quote some exceptions and you also ignore some that prove you wrong. Solomon married pagans and they caused him to sin against God by building altars to their Gods. Abraham was married before God established him as the patriarch. Isaiah didn’t have much a choice since Abraham his father was the establishing patriarch. Nor did Jacob. However God had them marry women of their own kind so they would know the paganism they faced. Moses either was going to marry a pagan or remain single all the rest of the Jews were in Egypt and His life wasn’t worth much there. You mentioned David but did David marry a pagan it is late and I’m not sure it is mentioned in the Bible. God established the law and Ezra upheld it, the Bible does not say one way or another whether God was pleased with what he ordered but the fact remains he was God’s servant and that is what he did. We can speculate the rest of our life if that is what God sanctioned or not the fact is know that is what took place and God said nothing to correct it. EdB |
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4 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115577 | ||
EdB, No offense taken, and I make the same apology for any rudeness on my part. God did give David all of Saul's wives, who were mostly pagan. Anyway, I think we know where each other stands here, and I respect everything you have said, and I will not press this issue any longer. Thank you for your patience and willingness to discuss. Praise God for his grace in every way! ischus |
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