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1 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | Hank | 190502 | ||
Bill - That God is immutable is a given that His true followers accept -- indeed MUST accept -- because it is clearly taught in His word, the Scriptures. Centuries before the incarnation of God's son, Jesus, we read the account in Genesis wherein we are told that He issued a command to a man who found grace in the eyes of the Lord, to build a sea-worthy ship on dry ground. God even gave detailed instructions for building this big boat, which the Bible calls an ark. Were this command and these instructions meant only for the man named Noah, or should they be applied to all faithful men and their families in every age who find grace in the eyes of the Lord? ...... There was a nation which in olden times God chose unto himself to be his peculiar people, a nation that would become known as God's chosen people, the nation Israel. Unto this people God set down certain laws pertaining to their conduct -- their relationship with God (including the observance of the tithe), their relationship with other nations and even among themselves, how they should treat one another. ....... God is immutable. He does not change. Therefore, why shouldn't God's people today (1) build arks (2) pay their tithes and (3) otherwise observe all the other aspects of the Law, just as it was laid down to Israel in the Old Testament? ...... Something is wrong with our intrepretation of what the Bible means by God's immutability when we assume that God cannot and does not have the sovereign right (or ability) to deal with His creation as he pleases. The Bible supports no such assumption as this, that God is locked in a box or that, by His being immutable, He has painted Himself in a corner. It's always wise to go back to the fundamentals and make doubly sure that one is "rightly dividing the word of truth" (See 2 Timothy 2:15). The subject of the immutability of God leads us into deep theological waters that are quite over my head and to some degree, I suspect, over the heads of all mortal men. But it is certain we err to think that God's immutable nature precludes Him from dealing with His people in various ways at different times of human history. "God who at sundry times and in divers [diverse] manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds" (Hebrews 1:1,2, KJV). ...... As regarding tithing in the New Testament, it simply isn't there, it is not taught that Christians should observe the Old Testament tithe. Christian giving is taught, however, as evidenced by 1 Corinthians 16:2, "Upon the first days of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there by no gatherings [collections] when I come." For further details on giving, see 2 Corinthians, Chapters 8 and 9. --Hank | ||||||
2 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | Val | 194563 | ||
I understand what you are saying about the tithe and personally believe that since we are saved by grace alone as the book of Galatins speaks that we have liberty in our relationship with Christ in many regards. My question is why do some pastors insist upon the tithe and some members make those who don't tithe feel inadequate by telling them they are out of God's will and they somehow don't love God as much as they do. I have even heard preaching that if you don't tithe that - they say - and I don't agree - that God will get it some other way. Why do you think they hang on to this teaching besides the obvious answer being they get to spend the money? | ||||||
3 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | Morant61 | 194564 | ||
Greetings Val! In my opinion, there are two reasons that answer your questions. 1) Some pastors really believe that Christians are obligated to tithe. 2) It is easier to get people to give if they feel they must. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | Hank | 194603 | ||
Hi, Tim :: "It is easier to get people to give if they feel they must." ..... That's how the seed-faith guys operate and it must work. They seem to be doing O.K. -- bringing in the bucks anddriving Mercedes cars and living in fancy houses. I heard one of them tell his TV audience not long ago to send him their seed-faith money "right now, this very minute" -- and if they were a little short on cash, just put it on their credit cards. Unbelievable! --Hank | ||||||
5 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194621 | ||
I believe in seed-faith, and what you quoted has never come out of my mouth. Stop slandering, its really bad. As for Tithe, Jesus saying in Matthew 23:23 is saying you pay the tithe, but you have forgot mercy and faith, he says you should pay the tithe, but don't leave mercy and faith undone. So unless we aren't suppose to live how Jesus told us to, then we don't have to pay the tithe, and we don't have to live in love. But I believe its best we live a life as he has commanded us in his Word. |
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6 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | humbledbyhisgrace | 194625 | ||
miller521, Many people believe in many things! Believing in something is not the measure of truth. Would you care to share with the forum from scripture why you believe in "seed-faith"? Steve |
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7 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194626 | ||
Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. Luke 18:28-30 Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting. Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [there shall] not [be room] enough [to receive it]. 2 Cor 9:6-8 But this [I say], He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. And God [is] able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all [things], may abound to every good work: Thats a great start! |
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8 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | humbledbyhisgrace | 194633 | ||
miller521, I suspected as much :-) Actually, not a great start but a typical start which appears to be rooted in the false teachings spread by the prosperity teachers of the day! These scriptures you reference in NO way back up the false teaching of "seed-faith"! God is NOT in the business of selling His favor upon His people! Case in point, read the story of Naaman in 2 Kings 5. Pay close attention to the man of God (Elisha) and how not only did he not receive the payment offered to him, but neither did he present himself to Naaman to receive any glory for what God was going to do! Also, note how confused Naaman was. Like the "seed-faith" believers of today thinking God is some VENDOR in the sky selling His favor for money. And don't over look what happens to the one (Gehazi) who takes the payment. The greed of the heart is what makes the false teachers of "seed-faith" (i.e. prosperity teachings) so successful! I don't in any way want to dismiss and/or discourage you in your giving and honoring of God to share what He has blessed you with. I do want to encourage you to be careful of falling into the trap of satan and his workers pushing the unbiblical "seed-faith" teachings you see so much of today. Consider carefully their teachings. They don't even come close to being biblical. Neither does the scriptures you reference come close to validating the "seed-faith" teaching. Steve |
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9 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194636 | ||
If the scriptures I used can't be seen as God's word showing us his desire to prosper those who bless others, then please by all means, tell me exactly what those mean. I can assure you its not greed that I teach seed-faith. Unless you call being able to reach out to a hurt and dying world greed. I'm not sure what preachers you are talking about, but I've never heard God talked about like a vendor selling his blessing. |
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10 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | lionheart | 194638 | ||
miller, Please in your own words explain seed faith. In Him, lionheart |
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11 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194683 | ||
I don't have to use my own words, I gave you scripture. Its sipmly the fact that as we sow seed into God's kingdom, we have faith that what he said in his Word about sowing will come to pass. He is the one who said that when we give, its given back to us in good measure, he's the one who said none have left houses and brethen, and various other things which they gave up, and that those who gave up things will recieve a hundrefold back in this present time, and life everlasting in the one to come. Paul wrote that if you sow bountifully, you reap bountifully. Don't have to give it to you in my own words, those scriptures should suffice. IF they have another meaning, please explain. |
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12 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | lionheart | 194689 | ||
miller, Good morning. I'm not contesting scripture here, I want to know what your undrstanding is. And why not explain in your own words. What is your conviction?! In Him, lionheart |
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13 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194690 | ||
My understanding is what the Word says. For example, when Paul wrote that if you sow bountifully you will reap bountifully. My understanding is that if I sow bountifully I will reap bountifully. When Jesus said that if you leave those things you will recieve a hundredfold in this present time, and in the one to come life everlasting, I understand that if I leave things such as those I recieve a hundredfold more in this present time and in the one to come life everlasting. My understanding comes from what the Word says. No need to use my own words, those scriptures speak for themselves. |
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14 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | CDBJ | 194705 | ||
Hi Miller, With your train of thought do you think it might cost more to bribe God if one is rich and at what point does grace actually come into play if at all? CDBJ |
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15 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194706 | ||
I don't believe you can bribe God at all. | ||||||
16 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | CDBJ | 194709 | ||
Then what is your understanding of grace? CDBJ |
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17 | does God intend for us to pay tithes | Malachi | miller521 | 194711 | ||
I am not sure what that has to do with the conversation here, grace comes into play throughout the entire scripture, such as when gifts and grace is translated etc. Can you be more specific on a particular verse? | ||||||