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421 | The Contented Man | Heb 13:5 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157217 | ||
Doc, How fine is the line, do you think, between contentment (with what we have) and complacency (with what we should desire spiritually)? How often do you think one takes contentment in the worldly realm and transforms it into complacency, spiritually speaking? Just thought it would be interesting to get some perspectives from the forum on that. WOS |
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422 | ehesians2vs8 | Eph 2:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157141 | ||
You state: “I don't find your definition in scripture as you state it. Do you have scripture to come to that conclusion or is that just something you have heard someone else say?” I believe I have already addressed that. You state: “Heb 11:1 What is the substance? What is the evidence? Define the who, what, when, where, how and why of faith by God's written word.” What evidence my friend? That’s what faith is. We can’t see the evidence. You miss the whole concept of “1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.” I don’t have to further define it. I accept God’s definition of faith. Why do you not? You ask: Who is Love? Who is light? Check it out in I John 4:8, I John 1:5 . Would you now say love is just an attribute, quality or an element? Would you now say light is just an attribute, quality or an element? Did the Apostle John just make this up?” You are getting off track. Let’s stick to faith and grace and equating them to the Godhead for right now. You confuse yourself attempting to bring a bunch of other elements into the conversation that truly need to be addressed elsewhere. You ask: Is this God's word ? Who and what are you going to believe. What you have known before by your religious training, or what the written word of God says?” Of course I believe God’s word, but I only accept as He dictated, not adulterated and used out of context. You state: “No one can diminish God or his office, that's impossible. Nothing any human being can say or do will ever change God.” I agree, but men attempt to do it everyday. You do it with what you have posted in this thread when you haphazardly throw God’s word into a ball of confusion and attempt to state what isn’t there to begin with. You stated: “Nothing has been added to God's word, it still reads the same way it always has. Any explanations of understanding is in paranthesis, not adding to or deleting from God's word including your own understandings. Were they added to God's word?” I added nothing to God’s word. You on the other hand have. Let me recap for you: “He doesn't just have faith, he is faith” “God is grace, Jesus is Faith which produces peace” “God's word is God's faith” Did you not state these things? Have you shown me in God’s word where he stated these things? You ask: “What is the strong meat spoken of in Heb 5:13-14? Is that just an attribute of something or a metaphore, or a proverb, something laid down beside something else to bring fuller understanding to a person?” Brother, one of the things this passage is enlightening us with is our ability to discern between the correct and incorrect use of Scripture. I’m sorry, but you are using it incorrectly. You stated: “Since wisdom (i.e. the wise) were mentioned, this gift has not passed away.” I really don’t understand the relevance of this. I never stated the gifts have ceased, only that they will and Paul attested to that. You claim: “I was not equating the gifts of the Spirit, to God the Father, nor was I focusing on the attributes of the Father and the Son. They provide everything..if I understand correctly...” Do I need to recap again? You quoted: “Acts 17:31 Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by THAT MAN whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from the dead...” And then stated: “Sounds like Jesus is that (man) which is perfect that is to come. I Cor 13:10” I don’t disagree. But as the passage clearly points out, there will be a time before our Lord returns where only Faith, Hope and Love will exist. The text is clear. God’s word is clear. You state: “Jesus is the gift sent of God for mankinds benefit in every area of life. John 3:16” And the point of that reference in this discussion is what? That has never been questioned. You claimed also in post #157105 that I twisted the word of God when you stated: “How can you twist the scripture to say it is a person other than God who said that?” You have yet to point out exactly what it was I twisted. If I did, the proper thing to do is to retract and offer an apology. I hope you will extend that opportunity to me. You fail to move me brother with what you have claimed. As I claimed before, now I do reinforce, I’ll end this unfruitful debate. In peace and may God truly reveal His word to you. WOS |
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423 | ehesians2vs8 | Eph 2:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157140 | ||
C.S.M., Forgive me, for my curiosity got the better of me and I did finish reading your post. Before I depart from this discussion, I feel I must address some of your unfair claims against me. I really don’t know what you are debating. My disagreement as stated in my post was this: From post # 157108 You said: “I say Jesus is the source, the developer, and the finisher of mankinds faith. He doesn't just have faith, he is faith, the source of all faith from God the Father.” I said: “Jesus Christ cannot be faith. Paul points out that faith is temporal. Christ is eternal. How can one be the other? Faith is clearly a spiritual gift as pointed out in 1 Corinthians 12:9.” You also stated that God is grace and Jesus is faith in another post that was not part of this thread, post #157084: you said: “God is grace, Jesus is Faith which produces peace.” Then in another post you stated that God’s word is His faith, as is God requires faith, post #157074 you said: “Since the just must live by faith, and Jesus said you live by every word of God. God's word is God's faith.” I debate all of these as being unsupported by God’s own word. Before I venture into answering you questions yet again, let’s look at what I disagree with. You claim Jesus is faith, God is grace and God’s word is God’s faith. Why would God need faith. God knows all. God’s own definition of faith is Hebrews 11:1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. So tell me what does God hope for? What is it that God cannot see? Why do you think God needs faith? Yes He is the source of our faith but he needs not faith. Like you have stated, God can call into existence anything He desires out of nothing. So why do you find it hard to believe that God can give us faith without Himself having it? Secondly, you claim Jesus is faith but have failed to provide the Scripture that supports that. Faith is a gift from God. As pointed out, gifts, with the exception of love, will not endure forever. We know Christ will endure forever. So how can Christ be faith? Again, sine faith is a gift, its source is God, but faith is established in Christ, Christ is not faith. God is grace? Grace is God’s free and unmerited favor toward sinful humanity. My definition is a paraphrase of this but is essentially the same. This definition can be found in any Bible Dictionary or concordance, yet you struggle with it as being factual, dismissing it as something I heard someone say. Yes, I heard God say it in His word. So again, point me to the Scripture that identifies God as being grace. God surely does give us His grace, but He is not grace. Now to address specifically your questions and statement in this post: You ask: “why do you reject God's clearly stated definition of grace in Eph 1:6 as his acceptance of believers in the beloved? You do agree he is talking about Christ Jesus, the beloved, don't you?” I believe my definition is accurate to that Scripture and yes He has given us grace because of His Son Jesus. I don’t deny that, but that does not define grace. You are surely mistaken if you think it does. It explains why God has given us His grace. Continued in next post… |
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424 | Assisted Suicide Versus Research | Deut 32:39 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157135 | ||
Doc, I wish I could take the credit but I believe I may have posted that improperly. What is posted at the beginning is from Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin and his position on the subject, which I happen to agree with and support. I don’t want to mislead anyone. Dr. Bohlin’s entire article can be seen at http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/euthanas.html. My contribution was ever so small as I only inserted the excerpt from the Hippocratic Oath and below. Forgive me if a mislead anyone. I’ll make sure I post in a manner to properly credit the person responsible from this point on. WOS |
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425 | ehesians2vs8 | Eph 2:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157131 | ||
C.S.M., I refuse to debate this any further with you. I have provided answers, clearly supported by God's word, unadulterated. You have not brother. You continue to read into God's word something that is neither there nor supported. As far as I am concerned, this conversation is over. I've done all I can to correct your equating the Godhead with their gifts and diminishing their offices. I will not continue to explain again and again from where my definitions are derived when I have clearly shown they are supported by God’s own word. Your attempt to run me in circles has surely failed, for I am clear on what God’s word instructs and what His Holy Spirit has taught. As a matter of fact, I discontinued even reading your last post because I'm sure, like the others in this thread, it uses God's word out of context and will prove to be unfruitful. Peace to you brother. WOS |
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426 | ehesians2vs8 | Eph 2:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157122 | ||
“Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity” (1Cor 13:8-13). In 1Co 13:13 we read, “And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.” Concerning “charity” Paul had already said, “Charity never faileth” (1Co 13:8). The word “abideth” means to “remain” or “continue.” When Paul said that prophecies would “fail” and special knowledge by revelation would “vanish away,” he used a Greek word that meant to be “abolished” or “cease.” He did not mean that the prophecies would fail to come to pass or be true, but that the gift of prophecy would cease in the church. The fact that charity (love of God) is the only gift that will never fail, tells us that there will be a time in which all of the gifts are in existence. There will be another time when the three; faith, hope and charity are in existence. Then finally when charity by itself will be in existence. This is proven by the definitions that the Bible gives concerning both of these gifts. Concerning faith, we read in the book of Hebrews, “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” (Heb 11:1). When Jesus comes, I will see him for myself and will no longer need to see Him through the eyes of faith. I realize that it may be argued that the disciples had faith when they were with Christ at His first coming; but at that time he came as a humble servant and many, especially the religious leaders of Israel, rejected Him as the Messiah. When He comes in glory there will be no question as to who He is. When God’s people are glorified with Him the need for faith will have come to an end. Concerning hope we read, “For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it” (Rom 8:24-25). The second coming of Jesus is that blessed hope. When Christ comes for me my hope will be realized and brought to fruition. At that time, when I see Him and I am with Him, I will only need the love of God for all eternity. These verses tell us that the time of faith, hope and charity in the church age must be before the Lord returns for His people. This means that tongues, prophecy and special knowledge will be done away with before the return of Christ. Now, when is that time? Paul is telling us in his epistle to the Corinthians when that point in time will be. It is when “that which is perfect is come” (1Co 13:10). No wonder Paul said, “Now abideth, faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.” I know many interpret “that which is perfect” to be the coming of Jesus Christ and His millennial kingdom; but as we have just pointed out, the three gifts of faith, hope and charity must exist by themselves before His coming. And not only that, but also the word “that” suggests a thing and not a person. Why don’t we let the Bible itself tell us what is the meaning of “that which is perfect.” According to the lexicon, the word perfect in the King James Version comes from a Greek word meaning: “brought to its end, finished; wanting nothing necessary to completeness; full grown, adult, of full age, mature.” Now ask yourself, what was completed in this age before the Lord’s return? Well, again, why don’t we let the Bible tell us. In 1 Corinthians 13:11 we read, “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.” This verse is immediately after the verse that mentions, “that which is perfect” which shows us that Paul means exactly what the lexicon says concerning the word “perfect.” And what were the childish things that Paul had in mind that would be put away when that which is perfect or complete had come? Well, it should be obvious to any reader that he was speaking of the early gifts of tongues, prophecy and special revelation knowledge given to the members of the infant church during the apostolic age. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Grove/3718/tongues.html WOS |
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427 | ehesians2vs8 | Eph 2:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157121 | ||
Grace is God’s forgiving mercy, His kindness, His freely bestowing upon me His gift of salvation. God is not grace. Yes He is the source, but he is not grace. I believe I have thoroughly defined faith as God has. Christ is not faith. Our faith is in Christ. Again, grace and faith are not persons. To refer to God as grace and Christ as faith is to add to God’s word. Something that God himself had warned us not to do. By focusing on attributes of the Father and the Son, and what they provide us, and equating them to the gifts they provide is to diminish their office. They, yes they, are even greater than the gifts they bestow upon us, therefore, they cannot be equated to those gifts. WOS |
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428 | ehesians2vs8 | Eph 2:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157120 | ||
My definition of faith is God's definition, straight from His word as revealed in Hebrews 11:1 brother. I don't add to it, I don't take away from it. WOS |
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429 | ehesians2vs8 | Eph 2:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157109 | ||
C.S.M., When did faith and grace become part of the Godhead? I must have missed that when God revealed it to us in His Word. Can you point that out to me please? I worship in faith. I’m saved because of God’s grace. Faith and grace are not persons. The Father and the Son are. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? WOS |
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430 | ehesians2vs8 | Eph 2:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157108 | ||
C.S.M., I would have to disagree with your statement: “I say Jesus is the source, the developer, and the finisher of mankinds faith. He doesn't just have faith, he is faith, the source of all faith from God the Father.” Jesus Christ cannot be faith. Paul points out that faith is temporal. Christ is eternal. How can one be the other? Faith is clearly a spiritual gift as pointed out in 1 Corinthians 12:9. 1 Corinthians 12 7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines. Sp on your logic, Christ is merely a spiritual gift? The Spiritual gifts will not last forever, Christ will. Faith will not last forever, Christ will. By the way, can you please let me know exactly where it was I twisted the words of God? If you can do that I’ll retract the statement. Clearly C.S.M., you fail to understand what faith is. Clearly, for some reason, you have faith and Christ mixed together as if they are the same. I worship Christ. Do you worship faith? Sorry brother but you seem very confused to me. WOS |
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431 | ehesians2vs8 | Eph 2:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157098 | ||
Does God have Faith? “Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, and other Word-Faith teachers have a brand new revelation, “God operates by faith.” And we, too, ought to exercise the same kind of faith that God exercised when He created the world. Well is this new revelation really biblical? There are only two prooftexts from the Bible which are used to prove that God exercises faith, and they don’t support this doctrine at all. The first is Mark 11:22, this tell us: “Have faith in God.” Well, grammatically this could be translated, “Have faith of God,” or, “Have God’s faith.” And therefore the Word-Faith teachers commonly say that we are to have “the God kind of faith.” However, this is clearly a mistake. You see, in Greek the grammatical form here means not “faith that God has” but “faith, that has God as its object.” In context Jesus is exhorting His disciples to have faith when they pray — in other words, when they ask God for things, they are to have faith in Him [Mark 11:23-24]. It’s always object oriented. The second prooftext, Hebrews 11:3, says that “by faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the Word of God.” The Word-Faith teachers here twist this to read that God by His faith created the world. In other words, God had to exercise faith in order to create the world. Again, this interpretation clearly is ruled out by the context. The whole chapter is talking about the faith exercised in God by human beings: “By faith Abel... By faith Enoch... By faith Noah... By faith Abraham... By faith Sarah...” [11:4,5,7,8,11], and so forth. The whole idea that God has faith is completely foreign to the Bible. Biblical faith is: human beings trusting in a God they cannot see, to do things that He has promised. God sees all and knows all from all eternity. So, God doesn’t need to have faith. And since God doesn’t need to have faith, the idea that we have to imitate God’s “faith” is clearly unbiblical. Remember, faith is always object oriented: Faith in God not faith of God. And if we mix that up, we have a faulty understanding of what true biblical faith really is. On the question of God having faith, that’s the CRI Perspective. I’m Hank Hanegraaff.” http://www.equip.org/free/CP1101.htm Why would God need faith if He knows all? WOS |
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432 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157041 | ||
I apologize. This post was in response to C.S.M.'s post. Sorry Bows44. WOS |
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433 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | Wild Olive Shoot | 157040 | ||
Bows44, Explain for me if you would your statement: “I don't find scriptue where it is written that the Holy Spirit "always" falls on entire groups. Paul as the example was filled with the HOly Ghost as at the beginning because he said, "I thank God, I speak with tongues more than you all." He had to speak a lot if it was more than all of them put together.” Does the Holy Spirit baptize more than once? Is it not sufficient that He baptizes only once. I ask simply because you claim tongues are spoken when this happens. You then state that Paul had to speak tongues a lot. So Paul needed this Baptism more than once? I can’t see how you claim the Holy Spirit will surely cause whomever He comes upon to speak in tongues. I’ve never speaking tongues, what say you about me? I guess the Holy Spirit, according to your logic, has never baptized me. But you’ll have to argue that with Him because God’s Word has informed me otherwise. WOS |
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434 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | Wild Olive Shoot | 156946 | ||
Thank you Doc. You are absolutely correct. I stopped short trying to prove a point in which it does appear that I didn’t show the importance of water Baptism. It wasn’t my intent to lessen the importance of following our Lord’s commands. Thank you for pointing that out. I’m so very thankful for you, and others that are around, that help keep me straight. WOS |
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435 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | Wild Olive Shoot | 156944 | ||
Baptism by the Holy Spirit IS a requirement for salvation. But this is not an outward movement or task. It is totally inward and dependent not on us, but on God. Without this we are not placed into the body of Christ, without this God does not seal us as His. Water Baptism is only an outward symbol. How can a symbol do anything? It is what the symbol represents, our internal renovation that places us within Christ’s body. There are no other Baptisms, which are required for salvation. “The outward rite is of divine institution, significant of the new birth, called therefore the washing of regeneration, Tit_3:5. But it is by the Spirit, by the renewing of the Holy Ghost, that we are made members of Christ's body. It is the Spirit's operation, signified by the outward administration, that makes us members. And by communion at the other ordinance we are sustained; but then it is not merely by drinking the wine, but by drinking into one Spirit. The outward administration is a means appointed of God for our participation in this great benefit; but it is baptism by the Spirit, it is internal renovation and drinking into one Spirit, partaking of his sanctifying influence from time to time, that makes us true members of Christ's body, and maintains our union with him. Being animated by one Spirit makes Christians one body. Note, All who have the spirit of Christ, without difference, are the members of Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, bond or free; and none but such. And all the members of Christ make up one body; the members many, but the body one. They are one body, because they have one principle of life; all are quickened and animated by the same Spirit.” -- Matthew Henry “The author of this blessed change, and who it is that works it. To be born again is to be born of the Spirit, Joh_3:5-8. The change is not wrought by any wisdom or power of our own, but by the power and influence of the blessed Spirit of grace. It is the sanctification of the Spirit (1Pe_1:2) and renewing of the Holy Ghost, Tit_3:5. The word he works by is his inspiration, and the heart to be wrought on he has access to.” -- Matthew Henry “What it is that is required: to be born again; that is, First, We must live a new life. Birth is the beginning of life; to be born again is to begin anew, as those that have hitherto lived either much amiss or to little purpose. We must not think to patch up the old building, but begin from the foundation. Secondly, We must have a new nature, new principles, new affections, new aims. We must be born ano¯then, which signifies both denuo - again, and desuper - from above. 1. We must be born anew; so the word is taken, Gal_4:9, and ab initio - from the beginning, Luk_1:3. By our first birth we are corrupt, shapen in sin and iniquity; we must therefore undergo a second birth; our souls must be fashioned and enlivened anew. 2. We must be born from above, so the word is used by the evangelist, Joh_3:31; Joh_19:11, and I take this to be especially intended here, not excluding the other; for to be born from above supposes being born again. But this new birth has its rise from heaven (Joh_1:13) and its tendency to heaven: it is to be born to a divine and heavenly life, a life of communion with God and the upper world, and, in order to this, it is to partake of a divine nature and bear the image of the heavenly.” – Matthew Henry WOS |
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436 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | Wild Olive Shoot | 156880 | ||
C.S.M., You are the second one I believe, that has stated the following or something very similar: “No, I do not believe receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation or being born again.” I would really like someone to explain that statement to me. How can you see the Kingdom of Heaven without being born again? How can you be born again, regenerated, without the Holy Spirit? Did Christ not state in John 3:3, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." Please explain why the Holy Spirit is not necessary for salvation. WOS |
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437 | When were disciples born again? | John 3:11 | Wild Olive Shoot | 156851 | ||
Kalos, You kind of through me for a loop here. Could you please elaborate a bit more or clarify what is not necessary for salvation? Is your reference to the Holy Spirit? WOS |
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438 | Meaning of John 3 verse 8? | John 3:8 | Wild Olive Shoot | 156667 | ||
This is rather disturbing, and please, excuse my frankness. “the Kings child†posed a question: “I can understand everything Jesus is talking about in John 3 except when it gets to verse 8. What does verse 8 mean about the wind?†Specifically the question is what is to be made of the reference to “the wind†in John 3:8. The questioner had already stated that they understood the chapter in its entirety except for that one specific reference within one verse. I looked at the responses given and in my assessment, and the key there is “myâ€, I didn’t see where they had been given an answer that would have been easily understood. So I took it upon myself to try and accommodate them in a manner that would answer the original question. I wasn’t implying that any answers were wrong. I simply looked at the answers given, asked myself, if I had asked the question, would those answers have satisfied me. My answer was no, thus my post. C.S.M.: I truly don’t see how you came to the conclusion the Doc’s answer was denominationally biased. I didn’t get that. As a matter of fact, I think my answer supported what Doc stated. I also did not disagree with your answer. You aptly pointed out that the reference was to the Holy Spirit but I think you may have flooded “the Kings child†with a bunch more Scripture that didn’t necessarily point out the role of the Spirit in regeneration, which is what our Lord was specifically attempting to convey to Nicodemus. Furthermore, I surely was not implying that I came to that conclusion on my own. I added commentary from Matthew Henry that I thought did a very good job explaining the reference to the wind. So the reference to my “frankness†is that it is disturbing to me to see our collective witness damaged by disagreements that really, in essence, aren’t disagreements. I’m positive that not one person participating in this forum knows it all. But I am confident that there are many learned individuals who have plenty to offer. I hope that when all is said and done I am one of those who have positively influenced someone in some manner. I think we bicker about the non-essentials and someone new to the forum, who presents what should be a rather simple question, is witness to that, and can very easily come to the conclusion and the false assumption that a proper response has not been rendered. I surely see it, that all of the answers that were given, in aggregate, should give “the Kings child†a satisfactory answer, or at least I hope they do, but… I fail to see where the disagreement was actually rooted. Seems like all of the responses supported the others in some way. Just my thoughts. WOS |
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439 | Praise Him | Ps 117:2 | Wild Olive Shoot | 156502 | ||
Psalm 117(KJV) 1O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people. 2For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD. If the Lord gives us His love, what more could we possibly ask for? In that love is all we can ever need and desire. In His grace we find peace. If He never gives us anything else, He is still worthy of our highest praise. Praise Him. WOS |
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440 | Beware "Another" | 2 Cor 11:4 | Wild Olive Shoot | 156480 | ||
benedictxvi@vatican.va. Although I doubt he'll reply.:) WOS |
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