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Subject: Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? |
Bible Note: Thank you for the lead on the search function. I'll get to that with joy. I am not surprised that JVH0212 wrote such a quality work on this, I have noticed many well thought out articles by that contributor. I have observed some similar tactics of debate in my face to face discussions which have given me a larger goal. I know that we all want to air "our" difficulties with a particular idea so I feel that even if it doesn't get the discussion into the issues and realms I feel are most important to the debate, I've resolved to go there. It makes for more work for me, because I get way off any previously prepared disciplines and find that I seem to have to "wing" it all the way. You're right in reviewing the response to specific veses, therein is the only value to do a quality debate. If we work hard enough at it (by that I mean to stay on point) we will find God will use the whole moment for His good. It is a worship-type experience to consider Him and what is really true about Him. You're very encouraging and I hope I have been to jg8ball. That man chooses isn't in debate, the issue is who enabled him to choose? Did God first regenerate him and then he chose, or did man simply excersize a little something of spiritual life and choose (even while he is dead in sin and treapasses) Isn't it a shame that God would do so much and make such a great offer of Salvation to us as in the parable in Luke 14:16-24 but men are so in love with the world that they won't accept the gift? Edwards treatise on free will does the finest contribution on this by basically saying we do what we want to do most at any given time. If we want to please God more than we want to sin at a time of temptation then we will please God. But if we want to sin more than please God we'll do that. We must be free if we are moral agents, and so we are free. But we are not free to do what is by definition impossible. God gives us faith, He regenerates us first and then we are made spiritually alive and our call is effectual. Edwards does a smashing job of it and it is fun to read the old english. Don't worry if it goes slowly for you because my wife and I once drove J.I. Packer home from a meeting and I asked him how rapidly he expects us to get through the Puritans works. He said that he didn't think even they got in any kind of a hurry to read through works of their contempories, so we should read them slowly and completely. |