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NASB | 1 John 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 5:11 And the testimony is this: God has given us eternal life [we already possess it], and this life is in His Son [resulting in our spiritual completeness, and eternal companionship with Him]. |
Subject: eternal security |
Bible Note: Thank you. Once again you are saying the same thing that I am. You are saying that those that LIVE that way habitually do NOT have the promise of eternal life. And this is true. I cringe when I hear doctrines that for anyone listening or reading sound as if the speaker is saying a 'christian' can sin like the world and still go to heaven but loose rewards. I am glad you know that is not true. I agree that no saint can be plucked from the Father's hand. I do wonder sometimes when I hear this quoted why the context is not mentioned His sheep hear his voice and follow him and no man can pluck them from His hand. It seems that if the sheep are not hearing his voice or following him they are not His sheep at all. I suppose my main point is never to cast doubt on the eternal security of the believer, but rather to warn the froward. The coming of the Lord draws nigh and I tremble at the idea of what will happen to some I know who have no sense of danger for their soul and who claim salvation while walking in all manner of sins of the flesh. I see a night and day difference between repenting of sin (and all sin was paid for at the cross) and living in known sin without repenting. If people comfort themselves in their imaginations that they can "fall and repent later" then they are nigh unto cursing. If they are sincere in their repentance, even if they fall a thousand times God will lift them up. Of course what really happens is if they are sincere in their repenting they will get victory over sins a lot sooner than they may think, or it will not take a thousand falls if they are crying out to God to be avenged of their adversary as the widow before the judge in Jesus' parable. The Lord will avenge them and that speedily. It is all about the condition of the heart and that we do have a choice in. Yes we have free will and we can cry out to God this day. And God has established it so that He will not do anything for us unless we ask in faith. Oh I know HE does many things for us that we did not ask for, but this verse still means something and what it means is that we will not fulfill our true destiny until we rise up in fervent faith. James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. I am convinced based on the reading of the Bible that there will be many that will say they are sheep that they cannot be plucked from His hand and Jesus will say, you are a goat and I never knew you, you worker of iniquity. So for argument's sake I agree with all my baptist (and other denominations) brethren that say Once a saint is converted they cannot be lost. But I also hope they will preach to those unconcerned and indifferent souls they see living a life that is wicked that they have not right to claim they are saved or that they are a sheep or that they are in the Father's hand. Why is that important. Because without holiness no man shall see the Lord. God bless you and God bless this forumn for mutual edification and not for fleshly strife. |