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NASB | Ephesians 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 2:5 even when we were [spiritually] dead and separated from Him because of our sins, He made us [spiritually] alive together with Christ (for by His grace--His undeserved favor and mercy--you have been saved from God's judgment). [Rom 6:1-10] |
Bible Question:
I am interested in eveyone's take on when the disciples were made alive together with Christ, the actual definitive event. Another way of putting this is when were the disciples united in faith with Christ into the body of Christ? Should we say that the disciples were united with Christ when they first believed, or at Pentecost when the church started? If the disciples were walking around and doing the work of Christ while He was a live in His name, weren't they "in Christ" then, saved then, by grace? I would greatly appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. Sorry I posted this in the wrong place the first time. blessings abound, bowler |
Bible Answer: Dear bowler, many places in the bible it is said that only God and God alone knows the intentions of a man's heart. Because He does have this insight that no human has it would be impossible to say when the disciples had a definitive event. The bible teaches that if a person is in the faith, the evidence of that is that he will continue in the faith. We know from reading the bible that Judas appeared to be in Christ but actually was not. Since we can only observe the otherward appearance, it would appear that when Jesus called each disciple individually and that one obeyed by dropping what they were doing and following Christ, from our limited point of view that would have been the "definitive event". However, again since only God can rightly judge the heart, it is not possible for us to judge one another because we are only human. There will be many people in heaven who we would not have thought would be there and some may be surprised to see us there. In saying all this we do know that Christ called some as apostles and we have the written word as evidence. However, as to a definitive moment, I would say only God knows. Gen 18:25 "Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?" |
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