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NASB | Ephesians 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 1:11 In Him also we have received an inheritance [a destiny--we were claimed by God as His own], having been predestined (chosen, appointed beforehand) according to the purpose of Him who works everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His will, |
Subject: Heaven or hell predetermined? |
Bible Note: Brother Beja According to the verses you have used, there is a remnant, (Rom.11:1-6). You are right again when you say God chose them by his grace. You are correct, God is sovereign, and the election is purely by grace. No argument from me:-) What you have just posted Rom.11:1-6 which is talking about the Jews of that time, the remnant which is being spoken of are clearly the Jewish believers, which are identified in Rom.11:5,7, therefore this passage of scripture doesn't then apply to us of today, in other words "WE" are not the remnant spoken of in these passages, they were. There was a specific point being made by Paul about the Jews in this chapter wasn't there? There are only two verses in the New Test. speaking of a remnant, both are speaking of the Jewish believers Rom.9:27, and Rom.11:5. You are right once more, nowhere does Paul say, STOP, WAIT HOLD IT you are misunderstanding me ! ! So I will, stop, wait, hold it, you are misunderstanding me. Here again is my original statement. "However even Ephesians 1:4-6 does not speak of a remnant, chosen by His own counsel, before creation, for salvation. As a matter of fact, I can't find anywhere in scripture where it does say what you have just espoused." Please correct me if I am wrong, in grammar, the use of the word (remnant), denotes that there was originally a whole, therefore a remnant would then constitute only a small part of that whole, would it not? At this point I have to say, if the statement which was made, was made with the broadest possible understanding ie, that all Christians for the last two thousand years, constitute only a remnant of all of the people ever created, then I would have to concur with this belief also. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |