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NASB | Ephesians 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 1:11 In Him also we have received an inheritance [a destiny--we were claimed by God as His own], having been predestined (chosen, appointed beforehand) according to the purpose of Him who works everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His will, |
Subject: Heaven or hell predetermined? |
Bible Note: Hi Doc You are putting forward a belief, that the passage you use, does not speak to. Isaiah 40:12-14 only addresses the sovereignty of God, which is not in question. In your saying: "God always has a remnant: persons that He specifically has chosen by His own counsel Isaiah 40:12-14), before creation, for salvation" I fully understand that the use of these verses, are to give credence, or a validity for your overall statement, which infers a predestination of salvation. However even the Ephesians verses, do not speak of a remnant chosen by His own counsel, before creation, for salvation. As a matter of fact, I can't find anywhere in scripture where it does say what you have just espoused. Although Ephesians 2:8 does say we are saved by grace, it does not go so far as to say, we are chosen by His own counsel, before creation, therefore I see the use of your two quotes, and your placing of them in conjunction with one another, only as one possible interpretation of the scriptures as you have used, and understand them to be. I therefore would like to place into the record of this thread, for future readers of this thread another allegory, which gives another possible interpretation. Using (Ephesians 1:4-6) Here is another analogy: Imagine a woman going to an open air market to get some apples. Finding them, she tells the grocer, I want 5 lbs. he chooses at random, enough apples to fill the order, all of the same quality, all of which have blemishes. To the woman, it is irrelevant which of the apples are chosen to be put into the bag, because she had predetermined before leaving the house, that the apples she was going to buy, only had to fill one criteria, and that criteria being, they were apples, because she was going to transform these apples, making them all into something special, so then, through this transformation process, she took away every blemish, no matter how bad the blemish might be, all of the apples were going to be conformed into a pie. Thereby they would not resemble their former estate. Take note that the woman did not predetermine each of the apples she wanted to buy before going to the market, but she did predetermine, that after paying the required price for them, each and every apple that she would buy, would go through a transformation, regardless of how bad a blemish it might have, that through her love, they would all become acceptable in the pie. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |