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NASB | Romans 8:31 ¶ What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:31 ¶ What then shall we say to all these things? If God is for us, who can be [successful] against us? [Ps 118:6] |
Subject: Theological Term: Ordo Salutis |
Bible Note: Doc Quoting you; In Reformed thinking (based on Romans 8:29-30) the ordo salutis is 1) election 2) predestination 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration 6) conversion (faith and repentance) 7) justification 8) sanctification 9) glorification In Arminian thinking the ordo salutis is 1) outward call 2) faith/election 3) repentance 4) regeneration 5) justification 6) perseverance 7) glorification I see some things missing from both examples of the order of salvation, "ordo salutis"? How about this for a model? 1)election by God in eternity past of the the saved 2)predestination by God in eternity past of the saved 3)gospel call as the outward call to all people 4)inward call as the Holy Spirit drawing by irresitable grace of the saved alone eventually resulting in salvation 5)regeneration 6)conversion by repentance and coming to a saving faith of the elected, predestined ones 7)justification as God declaring one made righteous before Him by the blood of Jesus 8)sanctification as the cleaning proccess by which the Holy Spirit does a work in us making us become like Jesus until the end at the final glorification 9)perseverance as the efforts of the saved to keep fast to the faith by the power of the Spirit 10)glorification as the final stage and act of sanctification whereby the saved become like Jesus I don't know what you think? I don't know why the reformed view leaves out perseverance, or do they lump that together with sanctification? I don't know what you think about the gospel call being offered to all even though few are called? peacebestill |