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Subject: ordo salutis |
Bible Note: Dear Doc, Thanks for the tip re posting follow-up questions. And thank you very much for the thoughtful answers to my questions. I just love how you support everything with Scripture. You are a great resource and blessing to the members of this forum, and to many others I’m sure. Again, I agree whole-heartedly with what you’re saying. I guess I’m just not making my question clear enough… or maybe I’m not thinking clearly myself. But in your original post on this topic, you listed both the Reformed and Arminian versions of the ordo salutis. In Reformed thinking (based on Romans 8:29-30) the ordo salutis is 1) election 2) predestination 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration 6) conversion (faith and repentance) 7) justification 8) sanctification 9) glorification In Arminian thinking the ordo salutis is 1) outward call 2) faith/election 3) repentance 4) regeneration 5) justification 6) perseverance 7) glorification I’m wondering why it matters if one believes, for example, that there are 7 steps or 9 steps to glorification? Or why does it matter if regeneration is #4 or #5 on your list, or mine? In other words, how does subscribing to the Reformed view affect one’s relationship and day-to-day walking with the Lord – differently – than if one subscribed to the Arminian view? Maybe it’s a dumb question, but I hope that makes a bit more sense. Thanks. |