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NASB | Romans 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:30 And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. |
Subject: I am confused |
Bible Note: Doesn't sound to me you are much confused. Yes I agree you do have to take the Bible as a whole you can not make a doctrine out of one verse. You say without God's grace acting on man he would never choose God. I say without the Holy Spirit drawing man he would never seek after God. And I disagree to a point on your view of man's freewill. The reason some end up in the lake of fire is because of our freewill. Of course God can decide who will be saved. But He chose to give us the choice. He made the way, He set the conditions and the choice is ours. Just as He said to the Israelites, today I set before you life and death, choose life. He gave them the choice. Just as He does to us today. Surely if God would reveal Himself to everyone, they would believe but not necessarily choose to serve Him. We must remember Lucifer and the fallen angels. They do believe in God. They have seen Him face to face. And yet, they chose to rebel. So seeing may be believing but not always making the choice to follow. As to the lose of salvation. I don't think that is a subject we have touched on yet. But I do hope you were not accusing me of avoiding the Holy Scripture so I can imprison God in my own logic. It did appear so. But I am sure I am wrong. |