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NASB | Romans 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:30 And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. |
Subject: I am confused |
Bible Note: You are correct about the verse in Romans 8 being pro orizo. I was using the verse in I Peter 1: 20. Comparing how Jesus was foreordained before the foundations of the world. In Romans 8: 29 For whom God did have knowledge before hand , God also did decree from eternity those to have the same likeness of Gods Son, that He might exist to be the first among many brethern. 30 More over God did decree from eternity them He also called:.... Who did God call? Jn. 3:16 Whosoever will....Rom.1:16 salvation to everyone that believes... there is that word again pas individual, each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything or collective, some of all types. I interpret that as every individual of every tribes of every nation who believes. This is an age old debate. If we don't have a choice, and it is already decided, then why even try right? It won't matter, it has already been decided. Now that way of thinking is totally against the teaching of the Bible. We can't just go through life making decisions on what we think is best for us and know that regardless if we were predestined we will spend eternity with God. Sounds kinda like the no matter what you do you can't loose your salvation so it doesn't matter what you do. Both I believe are wrong. The way I see it is if God decided which individual COULD be saved and which one COULD not. Then we do not have free will. And He is not in character. Romans 2:11 He is no respector of persons. So also Acts 10:34 A character trait which continues from the OT 2Ch. 19:7. When I take the Bible as a whole I can see it no other way. For God So loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son that who ever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. |