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NASB | Romans 7:4 ¶ Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 7:4 ¶ Therefore, my fellow believers, you too died to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. |
Bible Question:
Steve, Let's use yours (some of them contradict quite nicely). See my comments in :: Define "the Law." … a rule that was parceled by God (authority) to give me direction, having positive or negative consequences. ::You said in your prior post that you don't have to experience the consequences of not keeping the Law - no judgement:: For the Jews, it is the Law of Moses. There are 613 laws. While some people want to categorize them, the Bible does not ::true - so look up all the references that says that we, Christians, are no longer under law. Please let me know how many you find.:: For us gentiles, God still gives us laws, ::true, the law of Christ, not the laws of Moses:: including those He gave Noah in Genesis 9 ::Nope:: and the New Testament ::look up the greek for 'testament' - it is the same as covenant:: Define "grace." … His willingness to provide us with His enablement to find favor in God's eyes (Gen 6:8). Grace does not overlook sin ::Hold this thought - GRACE DOES NOT OVERLOOK SIN - your statement. Hebrews 10:17 says that God does:: Rather, it is grace that is needed to bring righteousness into action in our lives (Rom 5:20-21) ::These verse are describing what Christ has done-His actions, our actions, righteousness is imparted, then lived out::. Mercy forgives us of sin, but it is grace that enables us not to sin. ::true:: What is the relationship between the two? ... For Christianity, the concept of grace has to do with God's willingness to overlook our breaking His law under the condition that we have accepted the atonement of Christ's death in our place. ::OK, the thought I asked you to hold onto - GRACE DOES NOT OVERLOOK SIN - is contradicted right here. Now does it or doesn't it? You can't have it both ways.:: Without any law, there would be no need for grace. With law, there is need for grace. ::The question is, with grace, is there need for law? No. Why? Because we have something better. We have the indwelling Spirit of God to lead us. We are to be lead by the Spirit not the law.:: What is the purpose of the Law? ... To restrain sinfulness (Gal 3:19) ... To rebuke sin (Gal 3:22) ... To reveal our need for Christ (Gal 3:24) ::true, and, in my life, it has done that. It did reveal my need for Christ. I am now joined to Him, not the law (Romans 7 - first part):: How does "the Law" or any law effect our lives, today? ...Therefore, the abolition of the Mosaic Law code in no way leaves us in a state of lawlessness (Rom 6:1,14; 7:6). ::true, we are not left in a state of lawlessness. We are left with the Spirit of God - the law of Christ, a higher law - love, ruling in our hearts.:: Are we told we don't have to follow "the Law"? ... Nowhere tells us gentiles that they are not to keep the covenant of God. ::That is because the Gentiles were NEVER given the Law (Mosaic). Instead, Paul has to try to show the Jews, who were given the Law, that they are no longer under it.:: Paul says that we should not expect atonement for sin based solely on obedience to some of the commandments. The law itself says blood sacrifice brings atonement...Our faith in God's laws cause us to receive the atonement of Christ's blood sacrifice atones for sin. ::FALSE - our faith in the SACRIFICIAL DEATH OF CHRIST causes us to receive the forgiveness of sins. His death alone reconciled us to God. His death took sins away, NEVER atoned (covered) them. Try to find the word atonement used of Christ's sacrifice in the NT:: "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not burdensome," (1 John 5:3) ::true, the law of Christ - love is never burdensome:: People that mix law and grace do not understand them. Have you noticed that your Bible is divided into 2 sections? … Yes. It is there are two Testaments, not covenant. ::Again, check the word:: The Old Covenant and the New? … Did you know there are more than two? Do you understand the difference between them? … Yes, I understand the difference between them all. ::Your position shows that, indeed, you do not. You mingled them together:: If you do, explain. ::I have been trying to:: Look at Galatians 3:2,3 … By hearing with faith. ::right, so...:: Then, "Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected (Mat 5:48) by the flesh (trying to establish your own righteousness apart from God's)?" How would you answer this question? … You mixed Scripture and changed what Matthew 5:48. I suggest you repent. ::Already have:: Answer my questions, since I answered yours. ::Not my last one, are you being perfected (made complete, righteous in God's sight) by the flesh? Yes or No. Easy question.:: In Christ, Bill Mc |
Bible Answer: I have been perfected, being perfected and will be made perfect (References previously cited). You can break any law you wish - I chose to try obey them ALL. Tho, I am free from being bound to the consequences. It is a struggle. BTW the ones Jesus gave were before the New Covenant, which was instituted after His death. Steve |