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NASB | John 3:8 "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 3:8 "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going; so it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit." |
Subject: Born of the Pneuma or pneuma? |
Bible Note: Hi lionheart, I have been working on an understanding for this verse for some twenty years now. It is still a work in progress for me, with pencil in hand. I am really asking a question and looking for input. Looking at what you wrote to me we might start to consider the Spirit and the spirit, the Man and the man. For you wrote--and I don't know if you intended the lower case--"that we received from God what he is". "What he is". My thoughts expressed on the forum are these. I differentiate between the Giver and the gift. I see the Holy Spirit and the holy spirit. I see Jesus as 100 percent God and 100 percent Man [sic]. He came in the likeness of men but we know Him as God/Man. 1) Now in what you have written, the person [holy thing] that we have received from God the Giver would be lower case spirit. We could say with Romans 8:15 that we have received a spirit [sic] of adoption by which we cry "Daddy, Father!" Or we could say with 2 Timothy 1:6,7 that the gift of God that is in us, that God has given us, is not a spirit of timidity but of power. So the thought is that God's Son was given to us by God; so Jesus is the Gift and the Giver of spirit as well. 2) My thought of what spirit is: The spirit is connected with the words and testimony of God, the word of God. I think of John 3:34, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the (s)Spirit [my choice is spirit] without measure. Thus, words equals spirit. We are born from above, born again, by the word of God. So I would say again that God is the Giver (of the words), and the gift is that spiritual word that He gives without measure. 3) I would suggest that you read the other threads on this verse and maybe we can look at 1 Thessalonians 1-5 and Ezekiel 37:5-10 and compare them with this verse. Someone also mentioned 1 Corinthians and Romans 8:16. Thanks for your thoughts. From the heart, Ray |