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NASB | John 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of Truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth [full and complete truth]. For He will not speak on His own initiative, but He will speak whatever He hears [from the Father--the message regarding the Son], and He will disclose to you what is to come [in the future]. |
Subject: If not us, then who? |
Bible Note: Jim: As always it's good to hear from you. I believe what we have here is a failure to communicate. :-) And that happens. It doesn't mean anybody is wrong or bad or quarrelsome. It just means there's a failure to communicate. Let me go back through my reply and try to clarify my meaning. In my previous answer as in all my postings, my writing will mean what the words say it means. For example, I do not say something in an earlier posting only to subsequently deny that I meant what I said for the self-serving purpose of avoiding charges of inconsistency. No hobgoblins here! :-) John 16:13 is talking about the ministry of the Holy Spirit to provide revelation to the writers of the New Testament AND his ministry of providing illumination of the scriptures to them and to believers throughout the ages, which includes us. Jesus also said in this verse: "He (the Holy Spirit) will disclose to you what is to come." Does this sound like it refers to tongues or to prophetic revelation ("what is to come")? I honestly don't know what you mean when you say that I said this was fulfilled in the apostle's time and not others afterwards. I specifically did say "The promise of Christ in John 16:13 *was* and IS BEING (present tense) kept. The Holy Spirit has been *and STILL IS keeping and fulfilling* it since the Day of Pentecost." I further said that John 13:16 is applied to past AND CURRENT BELIEVERS." (in this Note, emphasis is added) In light of what I said in plain and straightforward language, I cannot see how you can possibly read into my posting that I said this was not fulfilled afterwards. (Please note, Jim, I am not saying you intentionally misread what I said. What I write now is in no way meant to be taken as criticism or fault finding of you. OK? :-) ) What chapters and verses do I use to say this *experience* that took place then is not for now? Is that what I said? A careful reading of John 16:13 will reveal that this verse makes no mention of any *experience* whatsoever. It merely says that when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth and will disclose to you what is to come. You referred to people who say the evidence of speaking in tongues is not for us now. Where does John 16:13 make any plain and clear reference to the gift of tongues? Because the verse doesn't mention it, I made no mention in my answer of any *experience* or of the Gift of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. How did tongues get into either the verse or the discussion? It just isn't there. I'm on your side, Jim. I humbly and respectfully suggest that for the sake of clarification you re-read the verse (John 16:13), my posting and your reply to me. Thank you for writing and for your patience with me. :-) JVH0212 |