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NASB | Luke 23:34 But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 23:34 And Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots, dividing His clothes among themselves. [Ps 22:18] |
Subject: Tim, what is your understanding of this? |
Bible Note: Greetings Bill! The original question: I would agree with you! There is a textual question regarding this prayer. Some early manuscripts do not include it, which leads some to say that it was not original. But, other good early manuscripts do include it, which leads some to say that it was omitted in light of the events of 70 a.d. Personally, I think it was original. With that in mind, as you pointed out, there is not specific identification of who the 'them' is. It could refer to the theives. It could refer to the crowds. It could refer to the Jews or the Romans. I think the more immediate application would be to those who were crucifying Him. However, I think it can be extended to all of us as well. This would fit with 1 John 2:2 -"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world." Like you, I believe that atonement (forgiveness) was made for every human being upon the cross. No more sacrifice, no more forgiveness is necessary. It is complete at the cross for everyone who will accept it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |