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NASB | Luke 19:44 and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 19:44 and they will level you to the ground, you [Jerusalem] and your children within you. They will not leave in you one stone on another, all because you did not [come progressively to] recognize [from observation and personal experience] the time of your visitation [when God was gracious toward you and offered you salvation]." |
Subject: The time of your visitation? |
Bible Note: Greetings Brother Mark! Thanks for the reply. You have posted quite a bit here for me to consider. That's good! My intent is to learn and I have yet to discuss the Word of God with anyone that I have not learned from it. I'm struggling a bit with seeing the same thing you are regarding this portion. The other I'll try and address latter. You said " Doesn't that change Jesus' words from "the time of My visitation" to "the purpose of My visitation"? Since he has ably pointed out that the term "visitation" in this context carries the purpose (for salvation) within it - I agree - why he is deflecting attention from the "time" of Jesus' visitation?" You ask the question why he is deflecting attention from the "time" of Jesus visitation. Help me understand why you think he is. I personally can't speak to Brother Piper's preterist beliefs so in regards to the attributed influence I couldn't say. However, you made the point so I must ask is it safe for me to assume that your beliefs are different then his in this area and if so then it can be expected that your interpretation of either the scriptures in question and/or Brother Piper's teaching are influenced by this as well? I have no position on this myself because at this point I'm not learned enough in eschatology or the teachings of Preterism. However, I'm interested in knowing more about the "time" issue. You said this troubled you and he deflected attention from the "time" of Jesus visitation. What do you think his intent was and how do you think it affects his explanation of the passage? Before I close I want to answer your question regarding changing the words of Jesus. My intent with my questions to you is not to avoid answering the question. It's truly to understand and grasp what you are saying. At this point, I don't agree his intent was to change the words of the Lord and/or deflect attention from the time of the visitation. Also, my intent is not to be a defender of brother Piper. I'm sure he would be more pleased if I didn't as I'm hardly qualified to do so ;-) Just trying to consider your teachings on this! I think you Brother for your time and consideration for helping me in this study! God Bless, Steve |