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NASB | Mark 15:34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" which is translated, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?" |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?"--which is translated, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?" [Ps 22:1] |
Bible Question: Dear delores, Xapis, and Hawaii Ken Armstrong (and maybe some others) I have been studying this verse and the context for some time now, and still cannot find in the Bible the doctrine of Jesus' 'temporary' separation from the Trinity and 'experiencing' Hell. Maybe I am just obtuse, but I would like to hear scriptural evidence of these things. I am not an heretic, I completely believe that Jesus died for my (our) sins. I just can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says that Jesus was 'separated' from the Godhead, even for a moment. That Jesus was a man and the Son of God at the same time is a well-documented Biblical doctrine, often called a mystery, why modify it? (I am aware that it SOUNDS emotionally appealing to dwell on a 'separation,' and maybe even 'seems' to answer the mystery) As to 'experiencing' Hell, Jesus as God cannot 'experience' sin or spiritual damnation. He experienced HUMAN damnation, and bore OUR sins as a substitutionary sacrifice. He became 'sin' on our behalf, in order to abolish it. I can got to 'jail- ministry' and evangelize, and even get to know the inmate's plight, but you have to commit the crime and be incarcerated for it to truly 'experience' jail. You can go to India as a missionary, and even live there for years, but unless you are 'with the people' and living like they do, you can never 'know' their situation. Again, this concept appeals to the ear and to the soul, but is it from God's word? I ask humbly for an explanation, and ask pardon for a 'dumb' question. In Christ Jesus. |
Bible Answer: The way I've heard the separation explained is the Mark 15:34 passage: And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? The term forsaken could imply different meanings but one interpretation is that God "severed the link" for moment so that Jesus would be fully able to die for our sins. As far as the "experiencing Hell" part, I think you might be refering to Eph 4:8-10 - This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men." (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions ? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) I've heard this verse used to describe that Jesus went to "an area of Hell" that was more of a waiting place for those God favored (Moses, Abe, Josh, Noah, etc...) Jesus freed them from this area and opened the door to Heaven for them and those that believe. As far as if this would be the way I would interpret them, I can't say. I'd have to do a whole lot more studying before I could say one way or the other. There may be other verses that are used to support these ideas but these are the ones that came to mind. |